Billboard Japan Releases Its Year End Charts for 2016

The year is coming to a close, so the end of the year charts and rankings are upon us. Billboard Japan recently released its year end charts for 2016, measuring the period from 11/23/15 – 11/27/16. AKB48’s “Tsubasa wa Iranai” topped the Hot 100 chart, while Utada Hikaru’s “Fantôme” topped the Hot Albums chart. AKB48’s “Tsubasa wa Iranai” also topped the Top Singles Sales chart, while RADWIMPS’ “Zen Zen Zense” topped the Radio Songs chart. RADWIMPS’ “Zen Zen Zense” topped the Hot Animation chart. Justin Bieber’s “Sorry” topped the Hot Overseas chart. Arashi’s “Are You Happy” topped the Top Album Sales chart. The compilation album “0 Sai Kara no Ikuno Classic” topped the Top Classical Album Sales chart, while Hiromi Uehara The Trio Project’s “SPARK” topped the Top Jazz Album Sales chart.

Note: I provided explanations for the Hot 100 chart and the Hot Albums chart because they are both combined charts. The other charts are pretty straight forward.

 

Hot 100

This chart combines physical single sales tracked by SoundScan Japan, digital download sales tracked by Nielsen Music, radio airplay monitored by Plantech, amount of desktop lookups on computers tracked by Gracenote Media, Twitter mentions of artist names and song titles provided by NTT data, YouTube views gathered by Nielsen Music (including both official artist videos as well as user-generated clips that include original song audio), and streaming counts (predicted by lyrics displayed on PetitLyrics, a service run by SyncPower providing real-time scrolling lyrics).

1. AKB48 – Tsubasa wa Iranai

2. RADWIMPS – Zen Zen Zense

3. Hoshino Gen – Koi

4. AKB48 – Kimi wa Melody

5. SMAP – Sekai ni Hitotsu Dake no Hana

6. Piko-Taro – Pen Pineapple Apple Pen

7. AKB48 – LOVE TRIP

8. AKB48 – High Tension

9. Hoshino Gen – SUN

10. Keyakizaka46 – Silent Majority

AKB48’s “Tsubasa wa Iranai” received 178,788.50 to top this chart, compared to RADWIMPS’ “Zen Zen Zense”‘s score of 176,963.20 and Hoshino Gen’s “Koi”‘s score of 172,332.81. AKB48 got the score it got mainly due to the single’s 2,507,403 physical units sold. For instance, it ranked 49th in desktop lookups and 89th in Twitter mentions. On the other hand, “Zen Zen Zense” had no physical single release, but ranked 1st in radio airplay, 1st in downloads, 2nd in Twitter mentions, and 2nd in YouTube plays. “Koi” ranked 2nd in radio airplay, 37th in physical singles sales, 3rd in downloads, 4th in streaming, 2nd in desktop lookups, and 5th in YouTube plays. When one looks at the Hot 100 chart, it can be seen that there are more factors that go into getting a hit song than just physical single sales.

As far as chart components go, Arashi’s “I seek” was 1st in in desktop lookups, SMAP’s “Sekai ni Hitotsu Dake no Hana” was 1st in Twitter mentions, and Piko-Taro’s “Pen Pineapple Apple Pen” was 1st in in YouTube plays. To again show that physical single sales are not everything, “I seek” sold 800,000 physical copies, but it’s not in the Hot 100 top 10 for the year, while “Sekai ni Hitotsu Dake no Hana”‘s 1,958,709 Twitter mentions and “Pen Pineapple Apple Pen”‘s 142,142,756 YouTube plays did land them in the top 10.

 

Hot Albums

This chart combines physical album sales tracked by SoundScan Japan,  digital download sales tracked by Nielsen Music, and the amount of desktop lookups on computers tracked by Gracenote Media.

1. Utada Hikaru – Fantôme

2. RADWIMPS – Kimi no Na wa.

3. Sandaime J Soul Brothers – THE JSB LEGACY

4. Arashi – Are You Happy?

5. back number – Chandelier

6. Hoshino Gen – YELLOW DANCER

7. Nishino Kana – Just LOVE

8. Oda Kazumasa – Ano Hi Ano Toki

9. Various Artists – HiGH & LOW ORIGINAL BEST ALBUM

10. BUMP OF CHICKEN – Butterflies

How did Utada Hikaru’s “Fantôme” top the year end chart even though it was 3rd in physical album sales? Due to the fact that it was 1st in downloads and 4th in desktop lookups. And how did RADWIMPS’s “Kimi no Na wa.” end up in 2nd even though it was 7th in physical album sales? Because it was 2nd in downloads and 3rd in desktop lookups. But another thing both of these albums had over albums that sold more physically is that they had much more longevity, staying at #1 and/or in the top 10 for longer periods of time.

 

Top Single Sales

1. AKB48 – Tsubasa wa Iranai

2. AKB48 – Kimi wa Melody

3. AKB48 – High Tension

4. AKB48 – LOVE TRIP / Shiawase wo Wakenasai

5. Nogizaka46 – Sayonara no Imi

6. Nogizaka46 – Hadashi de Summer

7. Arashi – I seek / Daylight

8. Nogizaka46 – Harujion ga Saku Koro

9. Arashi – Fukkatsu LOVE

10. NMB48 – Chicken LINE

 

Radio Songs

1. RADWIMPS – Zen Zen Zense

2. Hoshino Gen – Koi

3. Justin Timberlake – Can’t Stop the Feeling!

4. Utada Hikaru – Michi

5. DNCE – Cake By The Ocean

6. Perfume – FLASH

7. Coldplay – Adventure Of A Lifetime

8. Hoshino Gen – SUN

9. Kygo – Stay feat. Maty Noyes

10. Utada Hikaru – Hanataba wo Kimi ni

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    • Mahdyah Rosita

      Congrats for all especially Arashi and Hey! Say! JUMP ❤

    • Ben

      Billboard reported AKB sold 2.5 million copies for Tsubasa? Oricon only reported 1.5 million. Why the HUGE discrepancy here? WTH?

      • They count different stores and have different rules.

        • circe154

          Also Oricon didn’t count downloads until recently.

          • Kanjo Maru

            They still don’t for singles. And when they do for albums it’s a separate chart.

      • Kanjo Maru

        Oricon has a lot of rules they use to make the charts what they see as a more accurate representation of popular music. I’ve discussed it in a few pages here already but, for example, they don’t count passed the first 20 copies of a single in a shipment. Because Tsubasa wa Iranai had voting tickets for AKB’s election there were probably many people who bought 100 CD’s at a time. For each time a fan buys 100 singles, the gap between the Billboard figure and the Oricon figure grows by 80.

        On the one hand, I’d love to see an accurate representation of how much copies are sold regardless of “genuineness”, but on the other, they’re not wrong that, while Tsubasa wa Iranai is fairly popular, it’s nowhere near 2.5 million copies popular.

    • monica_monami

      I see no kpop. Why? I usually see people saying they slay japan in kpop forum.

      • KPop fans know little, if anything, about the Japanese industry.

        • HyperMoot .

          and this is based on personal experience elevated to undisputable statistics?

        • Meutia S Aishah

          I do want to know the explanation about your opinion here.
          no offense really, just curious

          • HyperMoot .

            Ronald hardly gives opinions, his remarks are always based on established facts, scientifically. He knows, we don’t.

            • Xo

              Well he has his facts right most of the time. I’m not a big fan of his Fantome “review” here myself, or his tendency to be a shmuck over popular fandoms and music. Although this personal shtick you have with him, not cute.

              • HyperMoot .

                The moot point is/was not his review, not that I liked it of course but he’s perfectly entitled to have his opinion. It’s all about the holier-than-thou attitude and the assumptions about people who listen to and appreciate Utada- summary? ignorant and fanatical idiots who know jack shit about music in general and Jmusic in particular. Where’s the survey? His personal experience with a handful of stans is statistics?

                Then, it’s also about being lectured by him and other staff members on being honest and professional. Really?
                – what’s honest and pro or at least coherent when you put an album in the staff selection and then call it garbage in the comments (not the review but in the discussion)
                – have the moralizing pros here, used a dictionary (eeh wazza?) to check the meaning of certain words before they approve of some statement he made and make it official policy: “Utada is a public figure, she is open to attacks”. eh? A-T-T-A-C-K-S. I’m not suggesting Oxford, Collins or Harrap’s dicts, too British (blaaaa) a good ole US Merriam Webster should do, it’s online, no need for a book (eeh, a book?)

                Wow and triple wow. Ok, the rules are set, therefore I know where I am. About being cute? Well, nothing really personal, the world is huge and we’ll never meet, good, I won’t have to move to another table in a restaurant. To be honest (but am I? is it possible here?) it doesn’t bother me he dislikes Fantôme or even hates her guts, it nearly amounts to positive (-x- make +) what is hard to take is that he is a huge Ringo fan, that is devastating ’cause I am one too. lol or lmao but no fart, belch or any other samples of american teen proficiency.

                • Xo

                  “It’s all about the holier-than-thou attitude and the assumptions about people who listen to and appreciate Utada- summary? ignorant and fanatical idiots who know jack shit about music in general and Jmusic in particular. Where’s the survey? His personal experience with a handful of stans is statistics?”
                  You’re going off tangent. We’re not talking about Utada fandom and his kpop-fans statement not only based of his experience but a number of other users (including me) have encountered the same thing.

                  Yes i’m part of the commentors who has disagreed with him and his hollier-than-thou attitude including when he was unfairly attacking Hikki. However you don’t need to keep on dragging it for every comment he made. It’s verging on harassment to be frank.

                  • HyperMoot .

                    ok, you’ve got a point. I’ll just be on it when he posts or comments about her.

                    • Xo

                      Thank you :)

                • It’s been how long now?

                  • lol

                    it has been 84 years..
                    cue to Rose titanic gif..i wish i have it XD

                  • HyperMoot .

                    “Time is an illusion” Some Albert

          • Kanjo Maru

            Kpop fans often react to sources which try to overemphasise Kpop’s influence in Japan. In truth, there were 2 Kpop songs in the top 100. If you read Kpop forums, though, you would believe there must be more than 50.

            • honey girl

              So now you want to use yearly information to try to prove a point? lol How desperate but okay. According to Oricon yearly 2015, over 10 releases in the top 100 were from kpop groups. So where is the 2 songs only that you are mentioning? I can guarantee you that 2016 yearly will still have more than 2 songs in the Top 100. And fyl, most of the kpop sites only report on daily/weekly/yearly numbers provided from Japanese music sources like Oricon, HMV, and Tower Records. Are you saying these sites falsify information as well? No matter if you think kpop sites sensationalize chart positions, so does jpop sites. It doesn’t take away from their achievements either especially yall keep harping about them not having any presence on the charts, in concerts, or on the music scene period.

              • Kanjo Maru

                “So now you want to use yearly information to try to prove a point? lol How desperate but okay.”

                I’m just sick of annoying kpop fans* saying k-pop is more popular in Japan than jpop as proof kpop is superior when it’s based on bullshit. *not all fans do this. It’s the ones that do that I’m sick of.

                “According to Oricon yearly 2015, over 10 releases in the top 100 were from kpop groups. So where is the 2 songs only that you are mentioning? I can guarantee you that 2016 yearly will still have more than 2 songs in the Top 100.”

                I’m talking about the Billboard top 100. You know, the news topic of this thread. Did you actually read it or just click comments and ctrl+F for “kpop”?

                “And fyl, most of the kpop sites only report on daily/weekly/yearly numbers provided from Japanese music sources like Oricon, HMV, and Tower Records. Are you saying these sites falsify information as well? No matter if you think kpop sites sensationalize chart positions, so does jpop sites. It doesn’t take away from their achievements either especially yall keep harping about them not having any presence on the charts, in concerts, or on the music scene period.”

                I’m not saying they achieve nothing. I’m saying that kpop stans on kpop forums pick apart data and intentionally withhold context when describing kpop artists’ successes in Japan in an effort to make them look more successful than they are. And a lot of kpop fans believe this and are very surprised when a fairly accurate representation such as the Billboard Hot 100 barely shows any kpop.

                Kpop isn’t unpopular in Japan. I’m not trying to prove otherwise. All I’m trying to demonstrate is that it’s not as popular as too many kpop fans are pretending it is.

                • honey girl

                  I havent seen a kpop stan say that since 2010 and I frequent k-pop sites. Most of them just freak out in shock that their fave got a #1 or in the top 10.

                  You didn’t specify that you were talking about BB. Even so, you using yearly information to try to prove a point is still desperate especially when BB Hot 100 itself isn’t sales specific. Using Twitter searches, video clips, and japanese lyric sites as a sales indicator? Really? Soundscan has more credibility. It’s not surprising at all that only 2 made it.

                  My problem with your call out is that you making it seem like kpop fans do this when in actual fact, jidol fans are way worst when it comes to picking a part data to sell that image. Not to just mention idol culture because the solo artist culture doesnt even mention it. My thing is why does it matter when it comes to kpop artists? Regardless if they mention the tactics used to sale their music, it doesn’t change the fact that their music still sold what it sold. Mentioning some common sales tactic that’s not prevalent to k-artists won’t change that or their success. It just makes you guys look like bitter petty betty’s by trying crush their happiness for their faves success.

                  • Kanjo Maru

                    Maybe you’re just less sensitive about it and overlook it, but it’s hard to miss sometimes.

                    Why should I have to specify I’m talking about the chart being discussed? And who said I was trying to talk about sales? I’m talking about popularity, of which the Hot 100 is probably the most accurate measure.

                    People in this thread were surprised that kpop wasn’t dominating because kpop fans make out that it is. While kpop is fairly popular in Japan, the things I said are still true. A lot of kpop fans don’t know much about the Japanese industry so when they read about their favs they don’t actually realise they’re overstating their successes. Because of this I don’t hold it against them, but I’m still going to correct the record.

          • aqua88

            I’m a huge kpop and jpop fan.. so I can tell you this.
            Kpop groups will make it sound super huge when they land ‘1st’ in Oricon daily charts. Truth is… 50% of the 1st ranking is credited to the fact that they release the single on a different day from the norm. Normally, singles are released every Wednesday, so the highest sales are recorded on Day 1 (Wednesday), and sales numbers will gradually drop throughout the week. Kpop groups will sometimes release their singles on like Saturday (day 4) and then they land 1st on the chart. But it doesn’t mean a damn thing, because even if you land first, you are not selling nearly as much as the rest of the releases. Besides that, even if you follow the regular release day (Wednesday), just because you ranked first doesn’t mean anything because you may have ranked first during a slow week (low sales). For example, first place in a specific week could be 250k copies sold, and another week could be just 50k copies.

            Japanese music industry has also blacklisted Kpop sometime 3-4 years ago, to stop the growth/popularity of Kpop. This is part of the anti-hallyu/korean sentiment amongst Japanese. Kpop groups are not allowed to perform on TV at all.

            • Xo

              Japanese music industry blacklisting kpop groups from performing on TV, AT ALL, is a myth. They do perform and get invited on cable tv and small talk shows.

              • Exactly. I post the music shows here constantly and KPop acts are still on. Shinee and BoA will be on FNS Kayousai next week for instance.

                • Xo

                  This misinformation about Japan ban is annoying tbh. Both countries have been prejudiced against each other but Korea had actually made their Japan ban official for a long while.

                  I was expecting Big Bang or Taemin as a solo but Shinee is ok too. Looking forward to that.

            • Kanjo Maru

              Yeah, I checked and the two Kpop songs which reached weekly #1 were the 4th and 7th lowest selling number one’s this year. With #1 and #6 being extremely rare non-release-week-number one’s.

              “Japanese music industry has also blacklisted Kpop sometime 3-4 years ago, to stop the growth/popularity of Kpop. This is part of the anti-hallyu/korean sentiment amongst Japanese. Kpop groups are not allowed to perform on TV at all.”

              This is about one annual program, not the whole Japanese music industry, and it’s not trying to fight Kpop but just a response complaints that too many kpop acts were in Kouhaku at one time (3 groups in 2011), and even then it’s just a rumour. It could easily be argued that Kpop groups just haven’t had enough influence in Japan since then to appear as Kpop’s popularity has faded since. Not just in Japan but across the globe.

              • honey girl

                Most of the weeks on the Oricon are just ‘dead’ release weeks now so any release with a miniscule of interest can reach #1 especially single charts. There were hardly any consecutive #1s for singles from the same artist so this just opened the door for more/new releases to #1 especially when popular groups/bands weren’t releasing.

                Kouhaku was just 1 of the many programs that blacklisted kpop artists tho. Kpop presence on shows like Music Station, Songs, FNS, and so on is practically non existent. You get the same 1 or 2 here and there for the entire year now from when it use to be like 10 differed k-artists in 1 month on tv. Those rumors about the blacklisting differently holds some weight.

                • Xo

                  “when it use to be like 10 differed k-artists in 1 month on tv.” Ten kpop artist in month? Are you sure or is this one of your delusions?

                  • honey girl

                    I’m speaking hyperbolically which is why I used ‘like’. The whole point of my statement is that kpop had a bigger presence back then before the blacklist than they do now.

                    • Xo

                      Of course they HAD a bigger presence. It was prior to Japan getting sick of the wave. They rightfully only can stomach less than a handful of kpop groups a year.

            • Meutia S Aishah

              since I just saw BAP on buzzrhytm, I don’t think that ban thing is true.
              I think jpop fans isn’t the type that care a lot about charts, and kpop fans care too much about it then?

              • It’s more that KPop fans lack knowledge of the industry as a whole like JPop fans do and they don’t want to listen when JPop fans correct them.

                • honey girl

                  Jpop fans don’t know much about the industry themselves. Most of their knowledge is from gauging the Oricon charts and music shows. The J-industry itself is a big ol ball of confusion atm so I don’t blame those who do still look at the charts/music shows as what’s relevant.

                  • Xo

                    Nah. The jpop industry is pretty easy to understand.

                    @kanjomaru:disqus “kpop stans on kpop forums pick apart data and intentionally withhold context when describing kpop artists’ successes in Japan in an effort to make them look more successful than they are. And a lot of kpop fans believe this and are very surprised when a fairly accurate representation such as the Billboard Hot 100 barely shows any kpop.”

                    • honey girl

                      Considering BB uses crap like twitter searches, fan made vids, and lyrics as a means to gathering sales data, there’s nothing too accurate about them at all. As I said earlier, they don’t hide or pick apart anything when it comes to their success. Providing information about multiple editions is not really relevant bc it’s a common practice and it doesn’t changed the fact that that’s what they sold in copies.

                      I just find really hypocritical that yall want these things to be said if its kpop but in turn tell people to get over how your idol bias sells their music. You guys don’t even push this hard for AKB stans make this news everytime they ‘break’ records.

                      • Xo

                        Well kpop artist even with gimmick made less than one third of the sales compared to other local gimmicky artists like LDH or AKS had. Describing them as “slaying” Japan with that amount of sales is numerically false.

                      • Xo

                        “Considering BB uses crap like twitter searches, fan made vids, and lyrics as a means to gathering sales data, there’s nothing too accurate about them at all.”
                        This is an interesting point because like a typical kpop stan, you ignored the fact that Billboard separated ranking for sales and Hot 100 (the ranking gauging true hits or general slaying). Pure physical sales can be inflated by gimmicks, while Hot 100 includes downloads, SNS mentions, searches AND physical sales. So their data is broader.

                  • Speak for yourself. I don’t think most fans nowadays are confused. I think fans have a better grasp on reality now than like 5 years ago.

              • aqua88

                It’s more of what ‘Xo’ mentioned above. Kpop press and fandoms inflating the relevance of specific news, eg.
                – Landing top in irrelevant charts: Hottest releases in Tower Records Shibuya
                – Inflated sales: event tie-ins like buy 1 album and you get to participate in handshake events, 8 different editions of a single when the general practice is 2 or 3, special photocard bundles,
                – Pounding on irrelevant news sources to show how popular kpop is in Japan: ‘TT’ dance went viral in Japan (when it was only mentioned in passing in 1 news source)

                To put in perspective, I’ll use Korean groups directly here:
                JYJ Wake Me Tonight (2015 release): 86k sales, landed 2nd on Oricon weekly chart, 1 version single, no tie-in to events and no music cards
                Ikon Dumb & Dumber (2016 release): 49k sales, landed 1st on Oricon weekly chart, 2 versions of singles (LE & RE), LE purchases will win a chance for a handshake event, online advanced purchases will also win a chance for a handshake event.

                Wake Me Tonight had ridiculous sales considering it has only one version and no tie-ins. Dumb & Dumber has 2 versions which means a bunch of fans are actually buying 2 copies of the single to ‘collect them all’. To top it off, Dumb & Dumber has special event tie-ins, so the more you buy, the more likely you are given the opportunity to participate in handshake events (inflated sales figures).

                • honey girl

                  None of these tactics are just prevalent to kpop artists though. Idol culture thrives on these tactics, even the popular ones. Heck, it’s not even prevalent to idol culture either. Solo artists and bands are doing the same thing. So much so that Oricon had to give Utada special props for being the only one who sold her album without any sort of tactic like that.

                  • Xo

                    “Solo artists and bands are doing the same thing” Who?

                    • honey girl

                      Ayumi/Koda Kumi has sold merchandise with their releases and even my bias Hikki used SCV2’s limited edition release as a raffle ticket for a chance to attend her Wild Life concert. Bands like BUCKTICK did something similar to their limited edition releases as well.

                      • Xo

                        Your Ayumi/Kumi/Hikki reference were when they were relevant (except Hikki, she still a queen). That’s such an ancient reference…and the band thing is dime a dozen.
                        The thing is kpop (and some jidols) pushed the tactics to an extreme (ie number of editions etc)

              • honey girl

                You’re basing 1 payola performance as there being no blacklisting? lol okay Not when you saw k-idols promotion blitz yo mow just 1 in a matter of couple of years. Also where are getting your information from about jpop stans not caring about charts? Most of the articles here and other jpop source site are about charting/positions posts. Can you guys stop acting like yall are above depending on Oricon or any other music chart to see if your faves are relevant already?

                • Xo

                  I saw Shinee, Exo and BTS promo Japanese interviews on my dash recently. Actually almost everytime they had Japanese release my kpop friends would reblog them.

            • honey girl

              All your statement is justifying about the j-industry as a whole is that daily/weekly numbers are so poor that you don’t even have to be on the charts for a full week to rank in the top 10. And please stop lying about kpop release dates. Majority of kpop releases are on normal release days. The ones that do is because of some special release event. It wouldn’t make sense otherwise because that means they lose days which means they lose out on adding to their weekly sales. And let’s not act like this tactic isn’t being done by jpop releases either. It doesn’t matter what day they release it on, if they sell the highest for that day and/or that week, then it’s just that. There’s no special trick they are doing to falsify numbers especially with Oricon hammering down on tactics like that.

          • Xo

            I’ve seen kpop fans use irrelevant newsfeed proving their faves slaying jpop artists. They’ll use daily charts, individual store charts etc. They also tend to disregard how inflated kpop sales can be with multiple editions and concert tie-ups. In jpop fandom, fans in general know which release are inflated and don’t get hyped by it so much (ie akb sales).

            • Niche’s Commenting Regulars

              Let’s not forget Japantimes pushing the Narrative as well whenever they have a big bone to pick to JIdols which carries most of the sales.

              • Xo

                Ian Martin and Philip Brasor tendency to glorify Kpop imports while consistently bashing idols makes them irrelevant. They aren’t fooling jpop fans with their biased narrative. I think Ronald got his JT job because he corrected one of their idol bashing article with facts.

                • That is true in part. There was something about something about one of the 48 groups using music cards, when they weren’t the main culprits. It was LDH and Kpop acts more than anyone else.

                  • Xo

                    In what parts not true? I’ve been reading Japan Times even before Ian Martin became a regular staple at the entertainment section. Its stereotypical of Brasor & Martin to idol bash. The Kpop glorification happen once in a while.

                    • Niche’s Commenting Regulars

                      I agree on this one definitely.

                    • That was not the full story of how I got the job. This site was part of it as well.

              • Stop!

            • honey girl

              Yet 48 stans and their companies were getting mad because Soundscan was spilling tea on their actual sales. Also lets not try it with the multiple editions excuse bc as most of you idol stans tell us, sales are sales. Lastly, you guys keep saying how korean news sources on Japanese sales are irrelevant but yet, where do they get their news sources from? Oricon, Natalie, Yahoo.jp., etc. Are they irrelevant too?

              • Xo

                “they get their news sources from? Oricon, Natalie, Yahoo.jp.,
                “They’ll use daily charts, individual store charts etc.” I’ve seen them use irrelevant newsfeed many times and boasting about it

                And if they used Oricon etc they “disregard how inflated kpop sales can be with multiple editions and concert tie-ups.”
                I guess you didn’t read?

                • honey girl

                  Stop with the bs because whenever Arashi or AKB or whenever a popular group sales are posted, the number of editions aren’t even mentioned. K-sites arent making up news or hiding information. There’s no need to add stuff about multiple editions because that is a normal practice in any music industry period. If they sold x amount of copies then they sold that x amount of copies. Just admit you want that information to be said because of your fragile ego and hate for kpop.

                  • Xo

                    “whenever Arashi or AKB or whenever a popular group sales are posted, the number of editions aren’t even mentioned.”
                    ????
                    Its always were mentioned here on Arama. If not written in the article, people blasted them in comments and the fans acknowledge it (ie, Arashi adding an extra edition to beat 3jsb). Oricon didn’t emphasize the different editions on ALL the releases, kpop or locals. However when Arashi were consistently releasing only 2 editions per release (without event tie ins like AKB) and topped the total sales, Oricon CEO officially commented to the press that Arashi did it without gimmicks. The industry and fans acknowledges some used gimmicks and is not in denial over inflated sales.

                    “K-sites arent making up news or hiding information.”
                    A lot of us have encountered too many of such overblown hype that your denial is pretty much irrelevant. Btw, not a kpop hater and have my kpop faves.

              • Xo

                “Yet 48 stans and their companies were getting mad because Soundscan was spilling tea on their actual sales” yup but they don’t deny the discrepancy and the fact that their sales are highly inflated.

      • Lol

        Kpop slaying maybe only for daily chart

        • Kanjo Maru

          Kpop only slays when you close your eyes and use your imagination :)

        • honey girl

          And weekly. Don’t forget weekly chart.

        • Ahmad Ridwan

          the youtube interviewer that japanese yuta recently made an interview video about acts that japanese people like. Almost half answered Kpop. it’s surprising actually

          • Xo

            Link?

          • light

            I like watching his videos, but I take them with a grain of salt since he interviews very few people, not a very accurate reflection of the Japanese society. Still he does have interesting themes from time to time.

          • Kanjo Maru

            “Almost half” I didn’t count but maybe 7 in 70?

            • Ahmad Ridwan

              Basically whay I meant was “a lot”. too lazy to recheck/count lol

            • And there’s a lot of young people, and we know with Japan’s demographics, that’s not really representative.

      • honey girl

        They do slay but Japan music stations have pretty much black balled them from performing because you know Japan is prejudice as shit.

        • They’re very niche.

        • Xo

          It is still illegal to broadcast Japanese music and television dramas over terrestrial signals in South Korea.
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Japanese_media_in_South_Korea

          • Xo

            Ugh.. Accidentally posted before edit. They have losen the ban in recent years.

          • honey girl

            What you are trying to compare is false equivalence. Political issues between the two which you cannot blame SK. And even despite the ban (which I actually read was lifted some time ago), Korean broadcast companies have aired Japanese artists on their programs before through MAMA and Music Bank. So take this mess somewhere else.

            • Xo

              Uh.. NO. The fact remains, the ban exist political or no and Japan didn’t mind broadcasting kpop acts all through the hoopla. Kpop artists even thrive in their industry. You have to face the facts Kpop wave nosedived after 2011 (coincidentally along with the demise of original KARA) and never recovered. Niche niche niche.

              • honey girl

                They only mind if there’s 1 and they perform over the Internet or back in Korea bc prejudice broadcast companies didn’t want the Hallyu wave to overshadow that Cool Japan crap. That and their extreme case of xenophobia which is a big part of the nosedive or niche as you call it.

                • Kanjo Maru

                  And I suppose kpop nose diving in popularity all over the world in a faster rate than Japan is because Japanese racism? Get real. All this is especially hilarious when you try to claim Korea’s actual ban (didn’t a Korean group have to change their song to remove a Japanese word so it could get airplay?) is “political issues” and SK can’t be blamed but Japan is obviously racist. Lol. Is it doublethink or do you really believe in this scenario Japan is the racist one?

                • Xo

                  LOL. Jpop fandom themselves ridiculed Cool Japan and you’re bringing it into conversation like its relevant? Face the facts, there was never an actual ban on kpop in Japan. General public just not buying into it no more so demand for them is smaller. Just appreciate that CNBlue, JYJ, TVXQ, BigBang, Taemin/Shinee, BTS, EXO and lovely JY are continued to be loved by Japan.

        • starlightshimmers

          K-pop do not slay in Japan. It’s niche.

          I’m a former BoA fan and trust me BoA and TVXQ are the only K-pop acts that successfully crossover between Japan and Korea, and this was the case way back in 2008, they’re not successful anymore. Now K-pop acts are niche and largely irrelevant.

          BoA and TVXQ crossover successfully because they trained for Japan and actually speak fluent Japanese. All the other K-pop acts pale in comparison.

          BoA used to be ranked with Namie Amuro, Utada and Koda Kumi. You don’t see any K-pop acts these days that are on the same level as the local J-pop acts.

          • circe154

            Wasn’t part of the backlash against Kpop because the artists themselves spoke very little/heavily accented Japanese and people didn’t enjoy watching them struggle through the interview portions?

            • Xo

              I remember people didn’t like BigBang and Girls Generation because of that although they do have some fluent speaking members. They adore KARA though because all of them tried to speak Japanese.

          • Xo

            JY (ex Kara) is fitting in well in jpop scene and I’m happy for her. Not BoA level of popularity but she pretty much jpop, not kpop now.

          • BoA, TVXQ and KARA actually. But KARA is gone now and TVXQ is on a hiatus till late 2017 and who knows if they still gonna be as big as they were when they return.

          • honey girl

            BoA? TVXQ? Sis please update your itunes library. If anything BigBang, BTS, 2PM, and few others are more relevant than TVXQ. They are just around bc of namesake…a shadow of their former glory. The only reason BoA/TVXQ has a leg up on the others is because they were lucky enough to get on tv & have major media promotion before the big blackball. You saw SNSD and Kara coming for their crown before the sudden cease and desist (and messy breakups). Also I see the new Amara buzz word around here is “niche”. If that’s the case, then everything is “niche”. Give me a break. You all act like these K-pop newcomers are around here selling 5k first week & flopping at their venues. Their appeal is still quite noticeable in Japan. Just about all of the crossovers that are happening, we are seeing them sell more than or equal to their Japanese contemporaries. Are they out here pulling Arashi or 48 numbers? No, but their numbers are relatively similar to those besides those 2 idols groups.

            I dont get why you are using female J-solo as example of the female K-solo artist scene not doing good in Japan. It never was good and there really never were any attempts from K-agencies to push their solo artists to over to Japan. Hell, the solo scene in SK is quite dire itself. The solo scene in Japan is a mess too. I think Kana, JUJU & Hikki are the only ones who crossed over 100k and the others who did sell decently have some form of idol association.

    • HyperMoot .

      So « Fantôme » has topped the Hot 100 album charts. Quite surprising. Imagine what it could have achieved had it been more ‘dynamic’and not ‘soooo average’. This is quite terrifying indeed, just imagine the number of blind stans that only listen to Utada or could it be there are also uneducated newcomers in the crowd of buyers and listeners!

      In the end, as she’s been promoting non-stop every day and round the clock on countless TV shows, social networks, subway stations, international space stations, CMs, not mentioning hundreds of frontpages in magazines (from fashion to angling), it’s not that big. Anyone for tennis?

      • Ben

        So one has to be “educated” to share your taste in music? Okay. Fantome is no Deep River but it is still enjoyable IMO

        • HyperMoot .

          lol, ever heard of a concept called irony? My, I should of used codes like ‘hey this is a quote from you know who’ or ‘wink, wink I’m just being caustic”… couldn’t you get it (promoting from the IS Station or being on the cover of countless mags) oh and I btw, since there’s no other way than plain and simple language, I think Fantôme was good enough to please the usual crowd of fans plus newcomers. Deep River and Fantôme? Apples and oranges, both are great :)

    • shinryu

      at Top Single Sales something is not right either it’s SKE48 with Chicken line or NMB48 with one of their release

    • mikamika

      I like the idea behind the HOT XY charts, although I don’t exactly get how they counted their numbers…
      Still, I can totally live with Utada ;)

    • Kanjo Maru

      Does anyone know when Oricon stops counting for 2016’s chart? When is the cut off?

      • honey girl

        Next week I believe…just go to the 2016 number 1 releases section on the oricon page at generasia.

    • honey girl

      I see the Good Sis slaying the charts so hard she got Antis madt. Members when you guys doubted ha? Member when Kana stans thought Hikki wasnt coming for ha download crown? Membeeeer???

      • HyperMoot .

        honestly do you think they’re that buzzhurt there’s a need to start the game? Oh well, here’s the menu:

        Game 1 (now) : the Stans vs ‘The Networms & the Guests from Outer Space’. Sounds like an old
        sixties band but they’re funny, expect some great display of american teen language skills: lol, lmao, Fantôme was average, butthurt, Utada who? , f**k, bore, belch, who stole my pants?, where’s the teacher?, fart, what’s a dixionaree?

    • avarus

      Fantome is the best album released in 2016 … worldwide tbh

    • Sarah

      SKE48 released Chicken Line – not NMB48