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Hey, Arama! Japan! It’s Friday, so it’s Open Post time! Feel free to chat with your fellow readers about whatever you like! Enjoy!

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    • Question of the week: When was the last time a Johnny’s act had a real hit? Some say it was Arashi’s “Love so sweet”, hence why they’re always performing it, to the chagrin of their fans.

      • correcaminos

        Arashi had “One Love” (2008) which was released after Love so sweet. Also the complaint about them singing “Love so sweet” is really outdated imo. I don’t remember them performing it that much this past 4 years, not even last year in Kohaku.

        Another hit would be Smap’s “Joy!!” in 2013.

        • Lol

          They still performed it in every concert..and msta 2015 tho

      • Reileen

        Like, recently? the biggest Johnnys song this year is probably Kame to Yamapi’s latest song released mid May. I said so because I’m completely biased lol
        But seriously, there are tons of people are covering it, also owing to the popularity of the duo. they’re also in the other charts where they are made available
        #1 CD rental (June)
        http://store-tsutaya.tsite.jp/rank/cd_rental.html?r=M003&f=20170601
        http://www.cdvnet.jp/chart_weekly/single_chart.html
        #1 Dwango (May/ June)
        also doing good in Karaoke
        http://www.clubdam.com/app/dam/dam/ranking/
        http://m.joysp.jp/web/app/res/ranking#

        Arashi had Guts and Ai wo Sakebe and maybe some of their drama theme songs resonated well

        • yamakita

          The Kame to Yamapi song is only popular because of its novelty. The song is not good and the drama is awful. I wish they promoted the Seishun Amigo answer song more.

      • ProllyWild

        As for a hit that everyone, even people who are not johnnys fans would know? Love so sweet is probably the last one that really counts… admittedly I don’t watch much tv, but I don’t get the impression that anyone has heard an idol song stick since koisuru fortune cookie and r.y.u.s.e.i. (Yes I count exile projects as idols).

        • Yes, the LDH acts are totally idols.

          • LDHfan

            LDH acts isnt idols lol

            • ProllyWild

              Drama appearances, stage appearances, variety appearances, an overarching management group that prides itself on everyone knowing the reach of their non-music projects and the connectedness of their brother and sister acts……

              they’re AKB and johhnnys light mediawise, but they are not much different at the core of their business model.

              • LDHfan

                But this does not make them idols

                • ProllyWild

                  Wikipedia:
                  “In Japanese pop culture “idol” (アイドル aidoru, a Japanese rendering of the English word “idol”) is a term typically used to refer to young manufactured stars/starlets marketed to be admired for their cuteness. Idols are intended to be role models. They are supposed to maintain a good public image and be good examples for young people. Idols aim to play a wide range of roles as media personalities (tarento): e.g. pop singers, panelists of variety programs, bit-part actors, models for magazines and advertisements.”

                  Ldh’ gimmick isn’t necessarily cute, but rather sexy/cool. They’re not great actors, not the best dancers and not even the best singers. Hell, when was the last time any of them promoted based on music and not on the celebrity status of being exile tribe?

                  Crystal Kay is not an idol. Her career is her own and her promotions revolved around herself, not her connection to LDH.

                  Almost all promotion for exile tribe and e-girls revolve around the overall exile tribe brand.

                  Sorry, but they’re idols. It’s old it’s not a bad thing. Idol is a broad term. Embrace it :)

                  • LDHfan

                    You did not think that this is the only possibility of existence for an artist? It turns out that non-idols do not exist.

                    • ProllyWild

                      Non idols do exist. Bands, solo artists, musicians and so many others, but that’s not what exile tribe is. Crystal Kay, jay’ed and leola are artists. Exile tribe from exile to e-girls are idols. Like morning musume and their sister groups, and AKB and theirs, the industry has acknowledged that ldh basically is an idol group (for a majority of its projects).

                      This concept was so firmly held that for the longest time it was hard to get exile groups and johnnys groups on the same shows because they were believed to be overlapping and competing with each other.

                      Again, what makes them idols is the nature of their promotional concept. They are at this point more famous for being famous, being connected to each other, and for doing things other than music than they are for being independent creators and performers. The quality of what they put out is far less important than them just putting shit out to be consumed. They’re idols.

                      Crystal Kay is not an idol because the bulk of her professional career and promotional concept is that of an artist/Singer. She is not famous for being famous or for being a part of any major group. The bulk of her career is not about using her name to do everything, while specializing in nothing.

                      Idols are jacks of all trades. It’s not a bad thing, but it is a thing.

                      • LDHfan

                        Do you not understand that participation in additional projects is a way of doing things? Do not play in the movies – you are unknown to anyone, do not act in advertising – you are unknown. Most of the songs that receive digital certificates are the soundtrack to serials or movies.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I think you misconceive the difference. Promoting with a drama tie up is different than starring in a drama because you are an exile member. Their talent is secondary to their brand. That is idol.

                      • LDHfan

                        Artists of EXILE TRIBE or E-girls are artists as well as a Crystal Kay. You fill the “concepts” with completely superfluous meanings.The japanese do not call them idols.

                      • ProllyWild

                        The business absolutely does. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Every side of the business treats them with the same gloves as idols.

                      • LDHfan

                        For pop culture, there is no other model.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I’ll just group responses to your various replies here.

                        I get the common impression that people want the japanese music to be something that its not. It’s often interpreted through western eyes, or at least the perspective of non-japanese business eyes, so when people hear the word “idol” it comes off as some dirty word that means a person is not talented or cheap. I really would like people here to understand what the japanese business is, that way they can enjoy it for what it is, and maybe even start actually playing a bigger role in the future of the japanese music media entertainment’s future growth worldwide.

                        So lets get a few things out of the way. First of all, Idol is a title. It’s an evolving title, since idol today does not mean what it meant in the 80s. The title of idol is not eternal. It is absolutely possible to start a career as an idol, and evolve to something else like some ex-AKB members have gone into fashion, or stage work, or even singing enka. There are people who start off as artists, and can end up being idols in the end. It is a fluid concept that is not black or white.

                        The closest similar title to idol is talento. The two concepts are very similar but have very different levels of value in the business. What the two share in common is that the name is more valuable than the actual things the person does. So talento are often called to do a variety of jobs because their name is their selling point. Models can become talento and that transition happens when their main branding and selling point transitions from being a model, to simply being a well known and valued name. Businesses call them because of their name, and brand, not their talents.

                        This is not the same as artists occasionally doing things outside of their box for simple promotion. The major difference is, quite often these extra activities are isolated and tend to be focused as one off promotional efforts. For example Misia recently did the voice over work for the movie “sing” in japan. This does not make her an idol because the reason she was called to do such a project is because the entertainment business values her presence as a singer/artist and the promotion fit that box.

                        Atsushi is from the age of EXILE when they weren’t idols, but were a vocal-dance unit. Da-iCE is a vocal-dance unit. EXILE TRIBE has evolved gradually into an idol-like group. Atsushi would not really qualify as an idol now because the business values him for his identity as a singer and his projects are almost all related to that identity. Elly on the other hand is rarely called in to projects for his identity as a dancer, but rather as a member of J-Soul Brothers/EXILE TRIBE.

                        If you want examples of people who have been idols but transitioned to something else, Yes Matsuura seiko is one because she cut off her media presence as an idol and limited much of her activities to singing and commercial work only, but when she makes appearances she is identified as an ex-idol, but currently a songstress. That is the focus of her current brand. Kimura Takuya and all the former members of SMAP are now ex-idols, because any work they get now will not be associated with the active brand of SMAP, but rather based on the abilities and identity of those entertainers as solo individuals.

                        This really could go on forever but everything has to do with the valuation of talent/expertise vs. name value alone. This does not mean that to be valued for your name means you are talentless, it simply means that a majority of your value in the business comes from the recognition of your name, over the value of your talents.

                        Almost all members of EXILE TRIBE, since Sandaime j-soul brothers was made, are valued as members of exile over their actually individual talents. That is the current qualification for modern day idols.

                        One last time for the people in the back,

                        The term “IDOL” is not bad, does not mean a lack of talent, or mean that the person is cheap. It’s the industry evaluation that a person is famous for the established brand name more than the actual talents they possess.

                      • miraikuru

                        They’re idol, or at least doing a lot of promotion/activity like idol do.

                        well, but I don’t care. they’re doing great, they have a good song, and I like it.

                      • ProllyWild

                        That’s all that matters really. Being idol-like doesn’t mean they’re any more or less enjoyable.

                      • Takuno

                        Truth!

                      • LDHfan

                        They are not idols. They themselves do not positioning.

                      • LDHfan

                        “The term “IDOL” is not bad, does not mean a lack of talent, or mean that the person is cheap. It’s the industry evaluation that a person is famous for the established brand name more than the actual talents they possess.” How do you understand this “industry evolution”? I think your judgments are subjective.

                      • ProllyWild

                        How do I understand? I work in the business of events and planning alongside many other tv, radio and entertainment staff. Properly understanding the status and qualifications of talent is a business imperative. There many rules that change based on the type of artists and entertainers you pick. For example sometimes it is absolutely bad business to book conflicting artists in the same event and tv show. Before the idol boom it was touchy booking rival idols on the same show, and this is where Johnny’s and Exile could not be on the same shows. However as artists became less popular and idols became more standard, it came to a point where you had to find ways to get them to play nice with each other and appear on the same shows. These distinctions between artist/idol types and management groups matter from the industry perspective.

                      • LDHfan

                        Does this alone give you the right to speak for the whole industry, calling them idols?

                      • ProllyWild

                        Does it give me the right to tell what are well accepted industry standards? Yes. Get over it. It’s not an opinion it’s an industry norm.

                      • LDHfan

                        What document regulates this rule( industry norm)? The Constitution of Japan?

                      • ProllyWild

                        Ahhh i get it. You are some kind of “special”. I take I’m talking with a child who has never worked in a business before…or scary thought, maybe I’m talking to an adult who just acts like a child. Either way, your “who made you the boss of everything?” argument is irrelevant. They’re idols. Get used to it.

                      • LDHfan

                        It does not matter what you think, it matters what they think of themselves.

                      • LDHfan

                        “I work in the industry”, not an argument too.

                      • LDHfan

                        And I do not consider them idols. Other fans, I think, too. This is important. The opinion of other people is of little interest to us. For us they are talented and their talent is important. We consider them to be independent personalities.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Good. Keep enjoying them. Them being idols has no impact on how you should see them. Respect them and their various talents and what not. That’s a good thing. Theyre still idols, you still think of them as talented, and the world keeps spinning on.

                      • LDHfan

                        They are not idols. Just stop calling the cucumber a tomato.

                      • LDHfan

                        I dont think that idols are bad. They’re just not idols.

                      • LDHfan

                        Let me know “Industry evaluation” Congratulations to Takahiro on obtaining the artist’s license . Exile Akira next. Who is he?

                      • ProllyWild

                        I doubt you really want a name by name break down, but if you want to know how people are ranked in general, then maybe you’ll be happy to know that original members of EXILE are considered to be a higher class than the EXILE TRIBE generation members. Due to the length of their careers and the fact that they were a dance-unit that established the larger LDH and EXILE TRIBE brand, even if they still fall into the realm of idol, they are considered more “Ogosho” which i guess would translate to “respected leading figures”(?) in the business. Again there are various factors that determine the worth of each person, including media value, how much they make, length of careers and the type of activities they do. There is no one simple answer that would satisfy you, but the more you understand how the business really works, the more you might be able to understand and enjoy the scene and understand the context of news that’s reported here.

                      • LDHfan

                        We still have a lot of members, so what about Akira? I want to know who has the talent is secondary.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I have a trend of talking with the most thick headed ignorant fanboys and fangirls I see. You can relax. The industry idea that exile are idols have no impact on your ability to enjoy them. It shouldn’t at least.

                      • LDHfan

                        I have a trend to burst soap bubbles- “experts”. To assert something, one must base their judgments on proven facts. Otherwise, this is an estimate. But you do not want to recognize it by imposing your opinion on everyone.All your statements are subjective.Maybe you’re just a troll.

                      • ProllyWild

                        its fine. I get it, you’re taking the idea of LDH members being idols personally so you don’t want to have your bubble burst by that reality. Again you’ve made no clear definition of what you actually think idols are, what the term means, so its basically pointless trying to talk to you about the matter. You’re trying to counter a legit explanation of a business norm with “yeah but I don’t like that. I disagree so its false”.

                        You are free to have an opinion, and Ive already said, its fine if you don’t identify them as idols first and foremost, but from every business standpoint and consideration, they are. So here we are. Agree to disagree. To me and my side, they’re in the same category as idols. To you and your side, they’re pure… artists…(?)

                        Simple advice though. If you’re going to try and “burst the bubble of experts” you might want to try and come with more than just a feeling to make your point. I suppose you think you’re being smart, but you really come off as someone who is out of touch with reality when it varies from your expectations.

                        Ill leave you with two quotes that come to mind when i think of this interaction with you:

                        “It’s hard to argue with a smart person, but its damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”

                        “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

                        I have learned something here today. Thank you.

                      • LDHfan

                        This is not a reality, dear God, who knows everything.

                      • LDHfan

                        I do not see anything except insults.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Yes…that is what we have established. You do not see anything except insults.

                      • LDHfan

                        Because anything else just does not.

                      • LDHfan

                        For me, the idols are young artists under the age of 23-25 or those who consider themselves. For example, if an artist does not consider himself an idol, he is not an idol. Everything is clear and simple. The rest of the reasoning is estimated. They just sell their purity and youth. Maybe this is a rejection of a full-fledged personal life.Idol can not have a love relationship. They have some immaturity. Some childishness. But the main thing is the view of the artist himself. But this is my personal opinion.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I’m going to honestly respond to this.

                        Yes it is your opinion, but it is also flawed by the fact that there are several self-proclaimed and industry identified idols over the age of 25 as well as under the age of 23.

                        Personal ambitions of the person do not equate to actual work. Personal Identifications and professional indentifications are a valid thing to separate.

                        For example Nishino Kana could consider herself a professional author because she writes lyrics and the collection of her of lyrics could fill a book. However, just because she believes that does not mean everyone else acknowledges it. If she actually made a book full of her lyrics, then the professional opinions of her peers might change, and someone might actually call her the author of a published book.

                        So again, I understand you want to put their self-identification as most important, but

                        1. I don’t think you’re of authority to make that claim, and

                        2. It still would not change the way in which the business perceives them.

                      • LDHfan

                        Again you speak for everyone and decide what is right.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I don’t speak for you or the fans, or exile tribe. I didn’t say all ldh fans think exile are idols. I didn’t say that exile think of themselves as idols. I’m speaking for the side on which I can speak which is the side that has to weigh and balance exile tribe as the same as their idol peers from the business side.

                        Pointing out the flaw in your identification of idols is just showing how little of your argument is based on fact. Your standard disqualifies arashi, smap, kat-tun and v6,to name a few, as idols. It disqualifies a few remaining members of AKB and the older members of original morning musume. It also, on the flip side, would put generations from EXILE TRIBE in the acceptable age range to be idols by your own criteria.

                      • LDHfan

                        Arashi, smap, kat-tun and v6 are not idols for me. But if they think they are idols, then they are idols.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I’m sure we could pull up many instances of them calling themselves idols, and tv shows, hosts and fellow celebrities calling them idols, and I can say that behind the cameras and the curtains, the business calls them idols. Your assessment/opinion is irrelevant to all of those points.

                      • LDHfan

                        It does not matter. They can be called as anything, though Vocaloid. They are not idols, that’s all. They decided so.

                      • LDHfan

                        You’re just a troll, I get it.

                      • ProllyWild

                        “Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

                        Lesson of the day.

                      • yamakita

                        I don’t know why you bothered, but kudos for trying.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Futile hope that logic might prevail.

                      • yamakita

                        Not on a blog, unfortunately, but admired your persistence.

                      • LDHfan

                        Roles in EXILE TRIBE are clearly distributed. Their additional activities are aimed at maintaining popularity. These are the rules of the game.They just have to do it. The popularity of groups JE is largely based on this. Media presence in any capacity.The more it is, the higher the popularity.

                      • ProllyWild

                        you don’t find it at all presumptuous to lecture someone who works in the business about the rules of that business?

                      • LDHfan

                        You can work even in the Divine Office. Your opinion will remain your opinion.

                      • LDHfan

                        I’m just not interested in what you think of me. You did not say anything except your opinion (which you think is true) and personal insults.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Experience is not an opinion.

                        “Exile are talentless Idols” that’s an opinion about quality.

                        “The business considers Exile to be idols” is reporting the general opinion of the business industry from myself and the people I work with.

                        “Exile are considered by the business industry to be idols and thus are treated as such.” is not my opinion. It is the fact about the state and tone of the business.

                        But if you want the most accurate statement possible. “Exile are treated like idols. Exile receives the same benefits as idols. Exile use the same methods as idols. Exile are constantly in conflict with other idols in business matters due to the similar nature of their being.” There is no opinion there.

                        So is there any proof you’d like to provide to contradict it? “they don’t call themselves idols” is claiming to report the opinions of an artist I’m assuming you’ve never met or spoken to. So you really have absolutely no ability to back up that claim. So are we good now?

                      • ProllyWild

                        And can I just say, i would type a lot less if some people here had clearly defined ideas before trying to contradict other opinions because they “feel wrong”. the core problem with our conversation right now is you don’t seem to provide any definition of what you think an idol is. Yet you’re trying to say that the industry definition is wrong. I can only imagine because you’re an LDH fan and you feel the term idol cheapens them. So please, clarify what you think an idol is so i can address those points. If you could, that’d be great….

                      • LDHfan

                        Your understanding of the “idol” is evaluated. They are not idols, at least by the fact that they do not consider themselves idols.

                      • ProllyWild

                        That’s all this is? You don’t think they’re idols because they don’t calll themselves that?

                      • LDHfan

                        If they call themselves Travesti I will count them Travesti.

                      • ProllyWild

                        If for example, SEKAI NO OWARI came out and said “We’re a unit, not a band!” Out our respect we could call them a unit, but does that make them any less a band?

                      • LDHfan

                        They are artists. You are a group or a unit, this is not the main thing.

                      • ProllyWild

                        No is saying they’re not artists. lol but you could make a distinction between is fukase a hit artist, Or is he a member of a hit group? That’s the same thing we deal with in the exile members. Individual value vs group brand value.

                      • They don’t call themselves idols because they don’t want the idol stigma.

                      • LDHfan

                        You cannt know what they want. It turns out that all the popular artists are idols.You can regard them as pineapples, but they are not idols.

                      • LDHfan

                        You did not try to ask for a job at LDH. With your talents you can take. Will promote them. You earn money.I’ll ask you now who is the idol, and who is not.Thank you.

                      • LDHfan

                        Atsushi is artist still or already idol?

                      • ProllyWild

                        Atsushi’s bulk of his business and value in the industry actually overshadows EXILE. Atsushi gets his work for being Atsushi the singer, more than he does for being EXILE’s Atsushi. That’s why his status is way above anyone else’s in the EXILE TRIBE. He is the exception and would not be considered an idol, he is an artist/singer.

                      • LDHfan

                        It’s great that Atsushi has already received from you the license of the artist. The next one will be Takahiro. Is he an idol?

                      • ProllyWild

                        Lol you are dense huh? This isnt about me or my opinion about exile, this is about the industry. Takahiro is in a gray area because his rank does not exceed the exile brand. He still lives off of being a member of exile and his activities away from exile show how different his value in exile and outside of exile are. For a time they treated him very much like an idol. The reality is there are still very few places that seek to use Takahiro as takahiro, rather than as Takahiro of EXILE.

                      • LDHfan

                        “Their talent is secondary to their brand. ” This is only your assessment.

                      • LDHfan

                        What creativity Jay’ed differs from creativity Crazyboy and creativity Leola differs from creativity Amy? Why Jay’ed isnt an idol but Elly is an idol? I do not see the difference.

                      • LDHfan

                        “Their talent is secondary to their brand.” Do not you think that this is an insult? I do not think that their talent is secondary.

                      • LDHfan

                        The concept of “quality” is an evaluation definition. Like the artist’s skills.

                      • LDHfan

                        松田聖子 was idol. But she is solo artist . 山口百恵 was idol too. Your concept is untenable.

                  • LDHfan

                    Crystal Kay starred in dramas. Is she an idol too?

                  • LDHfan

                    In my country there isnt this term but celebrities do the same.

                    • ProllyWild

                      Celebrities do all kinds of things, and few countries have a concept that matches Japan’s concept of idols.

                      Take Fukuyama Masaharu. He is an artist and an actor, but he’s acknowledged to be good at and specializing in both. He earns his respect for doing both, not because he’s famous and can just do both because it sells, but because he’s acknowledge and being proficient at the things he does.

                      For pretty much most of the AKB girls, it is acknowledged that they are not great singers or dancers, but that is what they sell as a product, and although they are rarely good actresses or stage performers, their fame consistently puts them in the position to do things they are not proficient at. The draw is they’re famous, so good or not, they can do all these different projects.

                      Exile tribe, after j soul was brought back, has gradually moved more toward the realm of idols. There is no emphasis on them as specialists of anything beyond being members of exile. I’m not saying they lack talent, but talent is not their product.

                      • LDHfan

                        This you establish what is the product, and what is not? I understand correctly?You can consider them as idols, but they are not idols. Your philosophy is only your philosophy.Do not mislead people.

            • ProllyWild
              • yamakita

                Let me fan the fire: puppets…

                • ProllyWild

                  At least they’re flammable lol

                • LDHfan

                  No!

                • LDHfan

                  You are also limited in freedom, you are also a puppet. Ahah If they are puppets, then you are also a puppet.

                  • yamakita

                    You are hilarious.

              • LDHfan

                The diverse activities of the company allow artists to leave the stage when they become old for performances. This is concern for artists.They independently choose their activities, trying to realize themselves.They are more individual.

                • ProllyWild

                  “They independently choose third activities.”

                  Contextually False.

                  While some artists have the ability to request and pursue activities, they are bound by contract to get approval of those activities by management and label.

                  Unless they manage themselves, they are not legally free to do any professional projects without approval.

                  In the case of graduated members, they have more free range to do other activities because no conflict of schedule…

                  But even after all that, it has nothing to do with the point of the picture which is their movie/series high & low that cast many of the exile tribe for promotional purposes despite no particular expertise in acting. It was also distributed as an exile tribe drama more than as a standard drama and has been distributed for the sake of exile fans more than common tv fans.

                  Keep trying kiddo. You’ll get a valid point in some time.

                  • LDHfan

                    Such a system operates in any company. You must ask permission from a superior. Your activity is also limited.

                    • ProllyWild

                      which again contradicts your statement “They independently choose their activities, trying to realize themselves.They are more individual.”

                      they do not independently choose their actives, and exile members deciding to do stage plays, or dance/dj projects does not make them less idol than akb members who decide to do dramas, model or sing enka. they have no more freedom than idols do, and they still have the same responsibilities as many idols.

                      next?

                      • LDHfan

                        This is your estimate. All artists are idols. So it turns out? Because there is no difference then.There is no difference in the activities of Shokichi (idol) from the activities of Atsushi (artist)

                      • ProllyWild

                        already touched on this. shokichi is not bigger than the brand of exile.

                        next.

                      • LDHfan

                        Atsushi is bigger? lol

                      • ProllyWild

                        yes.

                      • LDHfan

                        No.

                      • LDHfan

                        The sales of an Atsushi have never been bigger than the sales of the EXILE. He is influential, but other artists have influence too. Maybe he is the most popular member, but it does not make him an artist, but other idol. His brand is also associated with the group. He also uses it.

                      • ProllyWild

                        *Sigh* you have no clue.

                        exiles total numbers are increased by the presence of Atsushi. Of all the current members, if any individual member attempted to go solo they would not surpass atsushi’s sales potential. He can sell over 100,000 units solo. He can perform multiple days at arenas solo. Atsushi is so very important to the brand of exile that for the time he decided to go on private hiatus, we have had no EXILE releases, because really, even with 3 other people who could take his place as vocals, none of them have the ability to match his sales potential and going with out him would do more damage than good.

                        So yes, Atsushi vs. the dozens of other people acting as exile groups is a battle of numbers. Does Atsushi sell more than the 7 members of j-soul brothers? on the surface no.

                        Does atsushi sell more than a shokichi solo project? yes, by over 80,000 units.

                        Does Atsushi sell more than the group of Generations from EXILE TRIBE? Yes, actually. One Atsushi pulls in more in cd sells than all of those guys combined.

                        Atsushi > EXIL TRIBE, and as things go currently, EXILE is hurt without Atsushi.

                      • LDHfan

                        Not all projects of Atsushi are successful. His last releases are completely unsuccessful.Therefore, without the brand of the group, it is also a dummy.The recent release of him in the other group completely failed. Atsushi is now an idol?

                      • LDHfan

                        This is a matter of invested money, not an artist’s personality.

                      • ProllyWild

                        nothing i am talking about has to do with the personality of the artists. this is all BUSINESS related talk.

                      • LDHfan

                        A unit can be more successful than the main group. For example, the latest releases of the flower.

                      • ProllyWild

                        this really only speaks to how lacking e-girls has been….probably not the point you wanted to make.

                      • LDHfan

                        Flower are artists, and E-girls are idols?

                      • ProllyWild

                        they’re all pretty much idols in the overall e-girl camp.

                      • LDHfan

                        Shuykaren is idols?

                      • ProllyWild

                        just as much as DIVA or No-Sleeves were for AKB.

                      • LDHfan

                        But their song was more successful than the release of E-girls.Why does Atsushi’s high sales, (in your opinion) make him an artist, and Karen or Shuuka are still idols?

                      • ProllyWild

                        because the full independence of their brand has not yet been confirmed. How much media can they do by themselves without the EXILE brand? how well can they tour with just the two of them? Can they divorce themselves from a majority of E-GIRLS activity and still be sufficient? Would the E-Girls brand hurt from them being divorced from it, or would they hurt from being divorced from it. These are the levels that determine how an artist is valued. If they pulled back from media and did music only, stepped away from E-Girls and did this project only, what is the actual value of their brand? thats not yet confirmed.

                      • LDHfan

                        Therefore, your separation is simply insulting and disrespectful to other artists.

                      • ProllyWild

                        numbers are not disrespectful, they’re factual data.

                        atsushi:
                        2014 Love Ballade 142,053

                        J Soul brothers:
                        2014 THE II AGE 63,236
                        2016 THE JSB LEGACY 648,488

                        EXILE SHOKICHI
                        2016 THE FUTURE: 24,693

                        EXILE THE SECOND:
                        2014 THE II AGE 63,236
                        2017 BORN TO BE WILD 80,455

                        Generations: (since their new albums numbers aren’t out until tomorrow ill use their previous release)
                        2016 SPEEDSTER 114,702

                        Atsushi outsells most of the sub-units by himself. Even if you wanted to say that j-soul outsells atsushi, the 7 members collectively do, but the vocalists in their other projects don’t. He is not known to do any promotions out of the necessary. He doesn’t do variety and his main selling point is his music and his voice. He has graduated from the realm of EXILE idol-like promotions, and is self-sufficient and capable of doing arena tours based on his own name alone.

                        Sorry, the numbers are what they are.

                      • LDHfan

                        EXILE>EXILE THE SECOND ==> Atsushi > Shokichi

                      • ProllyWild

                        are you getting the concept? Exile sales are from the collection of 19 members various popularity drawn together.

                        EXILE THE SECOND is 6 members from EXILE and they still sell less than the one member of EXILE, Atsushi.

                        i imagine you’re either really lacking in sense or you’re perhaps a troll who’s trying to gauge the validity of my position(?)

                        what do you want to confirm? Want me to tell you where the various tv studios are? Want me to tell you around what time a show like FNS soundchecks and run throughs start? You want me to tell you how many shows actually don’t use real and audio, and actually only use karaoke tracks while bands mime their parts, and the vocalists is the only actively mic-ed person? freelance work gives me plenty of experience to speak from, so i am more than confident in my ability to speak on behalf of the business and its trends, and I will not overstep my position. If Im giving an opinion, ill make it clear, but everything I’ve said in relation to exile here, is based on the numbers and the trends of our business.

                      • LDHfan

                        They both faces of their groups. But since the popularity of the Exile is higher, then Atsushi also has higher sales.There is no connection between sales and a specific number of members. All have one fanbase. The difference is only in the invested money, maybe the genre of the song.Each member invests his share of talent and work.Naturally, in Japan, sales of Atsushi will be higher than sales NESMITH. But maybe in America it would be sold better.

                      • ProllyWild

                        That is absolutely false. Popularity of members vary and you absolutely can rank the sales potential of individual members can their groups. For example Mandy is more popular than the other members of generations and before joining exile that popularity was reason for upgrading him to the exile brand. J souls brothers as a group sells more than atsushi’s last solo release but the solo releases of shokichi show that he is not the driving force of sales in j soul brothers and more popularity is likely centered around other members.

                      • LDHfan

                        “For example Mandy is more popular than the other members of the generations.” Alan and Ryota are most popular because they are shot in doramas.

                      • ProllyWild

                        irrelevant. being in dramas does not mean you are popular by default because is i said they don’t get them because they are the best, they got them from the promotional tie in with exile group. throw in that even if the dramas are a hit, its not automatically true that the show was a hit because of alan or ryota. now if you reference something like the talent power rankings, you’ll see that mandy is actually more well known and more in demand than makidai. most likely having to do with some his presence in variety. He’s far more well known than the others. If you reference the power ranking you’ll actually see that Mendy significantly more well known by the general population than the whole unit of Generations.

                      • LDHfan

                        What nonsense.Mandy is more visible, due to his appearance, but not more popular.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I know you hate facts that disagree with your preconceived notions but his presence in generations, exile and tv appearances make him more well known and more popular/in demand.

                        It’s a matter of numbers. Sorry.

                      • LDHfan

                        If I saw reliable facts from you, I would accept them. But except for a table with figures that do not prove anything, there is nothing. Sorry.

                      • ProllyWild

                        You have a very loose concept of “facts”.

                        So please do tell me what would be sufficient representation of “facts”. Should I measure popularity in screams of fangirls?

                      • LDHfan

                        Measuring popularity is a complicated thing. You can not focus on only one indicator.Screams of fangirls are also an indicator.

                      • ProllyWild

                        From any business related aspect, money is the measure of popularity. Fans may feel differently, but for business, the more money they make the more work can be exchanged. You may feel popularity is different amongst fans, but I’m talking about popularity in the overall market, not just the isolated fandom.

                      • LDHfan

                        Maybe they want promotion in America or Africa. The presence of blacks is so RnB . Maybe they are tired of sunbathing or autosunburn spoils clothes

                      • ProllyWild

                        Lol are you taking about why there are half black members? That has nothing to do with non Japanese markets. It’s a matter of establishing credibility. Where johnnys idols are about lighter skin and image, exile came from the semi underground 90s subculture boom of American urban music. The members were often tan and “darker” than other groups at the time. To continue to give credibility to their concept of urban style, half Black members helped give exile groups the image of legit foreign style. That’s in part why crystal Kay and Jay’ed were picked up by ldh (this part is my opinion). I believe it is for the sake of differentiating their brand and giving street credibility in japan as a legit urban group.

                      • LDHfan

                        It was my sarcasm. lol

                      • LDHfan

                        In any case, you quite arbitrarily call artists “idols”.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Nope just call them by what they are. They’re just classifications and if anything you should be happy because the title implies significant relevance in the business and power. It’s because they are so much like idols that they get to have as much influence in the media world. It’s ultimately a good thing for them.

                      • LDHfan

                        The latest release Jayed(artist) was mainly due to the participation Ryuji(idol). Does this make Jayed an idol?

                      • ProllyWild

                        No it makes Jay’ed an artist who lacks enough promotional value to put out an album on his own without having songs written by bigger name artists, or going without collaborations. His lead single has lyrics written by atsushi and still Jay’ed managed to underperform. Collaborations don’t make people idols lol.

                        However it does show the methods of ldh to try and utilize the namesake of its other talents to boost sales across the board. crystal Kay did a song with shokichi. Those collaborations don’t mean anything to the projects of Jay’ed and crystal Kay because their status does not warrant the title of idol. No one will treat them as idols at a job, and no one will worry about if crystal Kay or Jay’ed overlap with other idols on the same job.

                      • LDHfan

                        So maybe the Idol Shokichi also lacks “promotional value”?lol

                      • ProllyWild

                        Oh yeah, he’s weak in the grand scheme of things. It’s like how Maeda Atsuko was huge in AKB, but totally weak outside of it.

                        Shokichi is strong enough when he’s with j soul brothers and as a unit they sell many cds. When he attempts to act independently, he cannot pull the same results. His sales imply that as a solo name, he is only at the level of a mid level artist, despite being a part of the ldh idol-like machine.

                        It’s not good at all.

                      • LDHfan

                        It does not depend on the person, it depends on the money invested. Maeda was the center. The big label put a lot of money. She was the face of a large group, so her recognition was high. But it can be with any artist, if he makes his debut as part of a large project. But that does not make him weak. A large label can invest in a solo artist and receive a high income.

                      • ProllyWild

                        You overestimate the power of money to influence. Throwing money at a project does not make it a popular project that automatically sells. Every label throws money at artists and singers who don’t sell. You can throw money at idols and they still won’t sells morning musume does not suffer from a lack of funding. Ldh has more than enough money and resources, but they are still struggling to make a second atsushi.

                      • LDHfan

                        This does not guarantee. But if Atsushi was really big, his band would be top. But it’s more like a flop. It seems without magic EXILE he can not do anything.

                      • ProllyWild

                        There is no one that considers atsushi’s project a business flop by solo artist standards. over a hundred thousand units is extremely good for a solo artist these days. If exile could pull a good 600,000 units for an album and atsushi by himself does over 100,000 that’s a significant number of exile fans that followed his project. If j soul sells 600,000 but their vocalist only sells 20,000 units, we’re talking about a difference of 16~17% vs 3% on the same base numbers.

                      • LDHfan

                        RED DIAMOND DOGS / Stand By Me is flop. Atsushi did not help. Why? Because the popularity of Atsushi is also a derivative of the popularity of EXILE.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Oh, is that what you’re talking about?

                        That’s a whole different problem with the business right now. Collaborations and side bands for artists and idols alike are dangerously ineffective particularly these past two years . It’s true on one end atsushi’s name should bring in bigger numbers and in that single it did not, but I’d have to go review what promotion was done at the time to give greater context. However, given that there was a dome tour that did fine following that single, it’s too early to say if atsushi’s popularity even as a solo artist is declining. Similar things have happened for an artist like naoto inti’raymi who’s cd sales have drastically declined, but his live venues continue to grow in size.

                        If shokichi or any of the exile subgroups can command overall revenue from release and tours and various brand collobarations, and not utilize the idol-like methods of blocking out media and monopolizing tv events, then the entirety of exile tribe may lost the idol-like status. That’s not the situation today.

                        These are the things that must be weighed.

                      • LDHfan

                        You can not assign them idol status. Atsushi uses the same fan base as the other members of the Exile. Based on your own logic, he is also an idol.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I can’t even tell you how many messages back I already stressed the point. Atsushi is more ogosho than idol at the point and people would call him, and so call him to tv shows as a solo artist deemed value able for his status as an artist. Much like the recent ayu talks, people will open doors for atsushi because he is atsushi. You could make an entire show about him and never even have to mention the other members of exile because his presence is sufficient. His value is locked. You don’t need to barter to get exile promotion by putting up other members of the exile tribe on the table.

                        He has attained a status that allows him to move independently in media and the business if he chooses too. That’s why he’s not considered reliant on exile like the others are.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Again I think your failure to understand this has much to do with your inability to understand Japanese culture and business culture. You want a black and white standard for who is idol and who is not. You want an easy way to make ldh non-idol and want a set standard for why atsushi is not idol but the rest are.

                        So many factors superiority, hierarchy, experience, sales and presence in the scene come in to play. If you just shut up for a minute and realize that there is nothing wrong with the title of idol, and see that it’s actually a very strong and powerful title maybe you wouldn’t be so hurt about it.

                        Why does shokichi get treated differently than atsushi? Because shokichi is not atsushi. Why is makidai different than Mandy even though Mandy is technically more well known than makidai? Because makidai has been around longer and has a different status. Still in the end Mandy is not makidai and makidai is not atsushi. It’s just the way these things work.

                      • LDHfan

                        Normal demagoguery

                      • ProllyWild

                        …..do you have some kind of condition?

                      • LDHfan

                        A large label can make you big or make a pixel on the screen

                      • ProllyWild

                        Absolutely false. Labels have no clue how to make stars. You can see examples like avex’s attempt with GIRL NEXT DOOR. When that group came out they threw top dollar at it. They used every resource to get them into kouhaku and in the end the project next brought returns.

                        Every year new artists come out, and every year despite the ridiculous amounts of money and tie ups used, the popularity does not come. This is why idols have power because they benefit from the network of their groups and sister/brother groups. They are better off than most artists, but even their success is not guaranteed just because a label puts money behind them.

                      • LDHfan

                        The probability of becoming popular is higher if you have invested a lot of money.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Not true. You can invest a million dollars into a stock and that doesn’t mean you’ll ever see a return on it. A bad stock is a bad stock. Artists and idols alike are just the same. If they can’t pull in demand, no amount of money thrown at them will make it suddenly work. Now it’s true that once popularity is established, throwing more money into the project can help maintain the quality of the project, but it does not automatically create popularity.

                        Shokichi did not suffer from a lack of budget. He’s just not that marketable as a solo artist yet.

                      • LDHfan

                        Not money makes popularity, but the right investment. A large label can simply not catch a wave. There may be management errors.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Shokichi shouldn’t need a wave. J soul brothers is that wave and he apparently is not a big enough factor in it to pull more than 3% of their overall fans into his solo project. That’s a failure of artist potential.

                      • LDHfan

                        Which 3%? What is the connection between the solo project of Shokichi and  三代目 ?

                      • ProllyWild

                        Shokichi’ solo album sales are roughly 3~4% of the number of album sales achieved by his group performance as j soul brothers. Of a mostly firm and guaranteed audience of 600,000 people who theoretically bought j soul albums, only 3% of those people turned around and bought shokichi’ solo album.’

                        This is also why it’s important to compare similar releases. Singles mean little to anyone in today’s market, so your point about atsushi’s single is somewhat skewed. It’s better to compare the performance of albums in the current market.

                      • LDHfan

                        三代目 have nothing to do with it You can not compare the sales of Shokichi with the sales of 三代目 The difference in the 2 times between Shokichi and The second This is normal.

                      • ProllyWild

                        You absolutely can compare. It speaks to what portion of the fan pie shokichi commands as a member of jsoul brothers, and ultimately it’s not much. It’s the same as ranking AKB idols. Some command more fan support and thus have greater value in the business for the time in which they are part of the idol group. That commanding interest can even change after they leave the group. Shokichi’s low performance is particularly disappointing because he’s an active regular member of a group that’s doing well, yet he only command a small portion of the fans.

                      • LDHfan

                        Why do not you compare its sales with sales of 1D lol For you, this is normal.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Are you serious?

                        You don’t see why shokichi solo vs j soul is a valid comparison? Are you that young and/or naive?

                        If you want to talk about 1D every members solo projects can be compared to their releases as groups. Those sales numbers are indicators of how much of the 1D fan base they were able to bring with them. As well as how many people outside of the 1D fanbase they were able to sway.

                        I think the only thing you’ve managed to prove is you have no ability to discuss this matter because you have no iden of how business at its most simple of ways actually works.

                        I can see you’re rather emotional about the subject matter so I guess there’s nothing that can be done. It is absolutely obvious you have no experience in this kind of business nor any business perhaps. It’s also clear lack the basic mental capacity to understand the topic we’re talking about. Sooo maybe it’s just easier to speak your language.

                        “Oh my god LDH is soooo cool. They’re the best! Fact!”

                        Feel better now?

                      • LDHfan

                        二代目 does not exist 三代目 and The second have different fanbases. Many people who listen to one do not want to listen to others. The fans  LDH are not so homogeneous. Most fans support only one group.To support all groups, you need to have a lot of money. There are very few such fans.

                      • ProllyWild

                        And that’s why they have less value. Shokichi cannot command enough of any audience that should like him. He not conflicting with a rival group. We’re literally comparing him to his own group. We’re literally talking about what segment of those fans directly support him when he does something else. That number is ultimately not much.

                      • LDHfan

                        Different groups with different fandoms. It’s all. The thing is that you love Atsushi, but do not like Shokichi. Do not turn them into 48s or JEs groups .

                      • ProllyWild

                        Lol k don’t love anything. I’m talking about the levels of respect shown to certain people compared to others. As far as music goes I think the whole exile tribe are a joke.

                      • LDHfan

                        You cannt know the level of respect. You can not compare this. You are just an ordinary haiter lol What’s the use of talking to a person who uses every opportunity to offend artists, their fans. You have not provided any evidence of your work in the industry. No documents. Nothing. You only insult, constantly insult and humiliate those who do not agree with you.

                      • ProllyWild

                        You really are fragile huh? I’m guessing somewhere in the age range of 12-17? Not particularly popular where you are but you managed to find a bond in ldh fandom that fulfills some loneliness from your day to day life? It’s fine kiddo. There’s more to life than dance idols. You’ll grow and learn about life and you’ll look back on these times as slightly embarassing, but somewhat life changing. I have faith in you ;)

                      • LDHfan

                        Is this you about yourself?

                      • ProllyWild

                        Thank you for confirming my suspicions….

                      • LDHfan

                        Think what you want lol You could not provide any intelligible evidence of your failed theory, now you are trying to insult. What a pity.

                      • ProllyWild

                        No insults, I sincerely hope you grow into a well balanced adult someday. The problem is not that I haven’t provided proof. It’s the fact that you don’t understand data and information. You don’t understand Japanese culture or business so you have wasted 2 days basically saying “I feel you’re wrong.”

                        But it’s fine, because this interaction and your disbelief change nothing about the truth of exile tribe, the truth about the work we do here, or the truth about the trials ldh faces in making a stable roster moving forward. Still, it’s a good thing. A fan like you is vital to the future of exile tribe. That unrealistic dedication that refuses to see any evidence that contradicts your belief is the die hard kinda fan that fuels their machine. You know..idol fans…. the kind that support only one group and not multiple…

                      • LDHfan

                        I understand everything perfectly, just your theory is untenable.

                      • LDHfan

                        Just stop hating them and then you start to evaluate them objectively.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Love and hate are irrelevant emotions for the business of freelance eveny/recording staff. My emotions have nothing to do with my feelings about them. I don’t like them, their music or their influence in the overall scene but I can acknowledge their power, influence and impact on the music scene. I can acknowledge their numbers and how much more they sell as groups compared to most of the rest of the scene.

                        You however seem to be unable to separate emotion from the equation.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Also lack of money argument shows you don’t understand Japanese fandom. Lack of money is rarely the case people don’t support groups, especially idols ;)

                      • LDHfan

                        I already knew that you know everything. Lol

                      • ProllyWild

                        You debate like a child.

                      • LDHfan

                        You debate like a cucumber lol

                      • LDHfan

                        “Oh my god LDH is soooo cool. They’re the best! Fact!” I can not agree with this. But yes, repeat it more often.

                      • LDHfan

                        But his failure does not make him an idol.Simply someone catches a wave, but someone does not.

                      • ProllyWild

                        The Exile tribe makes him an idol. His failure makes him an unsuccessful solo idol lol

                      • LDHfan

                        facepalm Stop talking nonsense.

                      • ProllyWild

                        Haha what do you think you have proven today. You have provided 0 facts, no numbers no proof of anything. You just have hurt feelings and you keep talking where you have no insight, perspective, experience, or proof and most importantly no point.

                      • LDHfan

                        About you, I can say the same thing.

                      • ProllyWild

                        I’ve provided far more numbers, examples and comparisons. I think I’m doing fine thank you :)

                        Please do tell me of your credentials though.

                      • LDHfan

                        No, just 1 black for 19 members is too much racism. lol

                      • ProllyWild

                        lol next.

                      • LDHfan

                        American( African American) fans have the most popular Elly. In Japan Elly is idol. In America is artist?

                      • ProllyWild

                        I don’t know what you’re asking. Next.

                      • LDHfan

                        In America, it could be more successful than all the members of 三代目JSB Does this make him an artist?

                      • ProllyWild

                        if elly’s crazyboy project found independence and stability in any market, he would evolve away from the idol status of exile for that market in which it manages to be stable. again, idol is a fluid title, and its possible for people to get away from it. If Ella had a hit record outside of japan, japan would start to treat him differently, and yes, like an artist because he would have changed his rank.

                      • LDHfan

                        You say that as if Omi sells tomatoes, not his voice and music.

                      • ProllyWild

                        next. Ill acknowledge and respond to only sensical and valid comments and inquries. you’re making less and less sense the more we go on.

                      • LDHfan

                        CK also uses the brand EXILE TRIBE and Jayed too . Him actively promoted on the social networks.

                      • ProllyWild

                        They are recognized as a part of LDH brand and benefit slightly from it, but the benefits are nowhere near the same. the promotions do not rely on exile at all. they are totally independent projects with independent results, despite being under the LDH umbrella. they’re cousins to the brand of EXILE at best.

                      • LDHfan

                        You are simply offended that the fans do not think like you. That if we think that they are artists, then they are better than idols. No, it’s not. AKB48 are also artists, but they are idols, but the LDH artists are not idols, because they do not consider themselves to be idols.

                      • ProllyWild

                        i don’t need to acknowledge how fans think to talk about how the business thinks of them. you’re the only one butthurt by the two separate ways of thought.

                      • LDHfan

                        You can not speak on behalf of all industry and business. Calm down already. You’re just a user of Arama. Do not think of yourself more than you really are.

                      • ProllyWild

                        lol next.

              • LDHfan

                Fans require them to perfect performance. “Why you did not sing well or why the dance is too simple.” Not every song can be successful. But AKB48 can release many identical songs and popularity does not suffer from it.Nobody expects an ideal performance from the idol.

                • ProllyWild

                  also false.

                  if anything, both ldh and akb are held to higher expectations due to the amount of money invested in them. an idol who can’t dance and do their performance would be a burden to their clients. one can make the argument that when idols lip sync they get a pass there, but they have for more speaking jobs that require they be able to use their voices.

                  in the case of ldh, the common trick is to allow the dancers to do more variety so that there is less strain on the singers. exile members don’t lip synch, and it shows because their vocal performances are not perfect when it comes particularly to shokichi who is overall just terrible live and on tv. the generations boys are young too and often don’t actually fail to deliver perfection. fans still give them a pass.

                  • LDHfan

                    I know that they are not perfect. But the requirements for them as artists and not idols.

                  • LDHfan

                    Do you still work in opera?

                    • ProllyWild

                      next.

          • I want to be relevant :(

            agreed!

        • FoucaultAnderson

          Love So Sweet damn I remember looking for that one for hours. Wasn’t that back in 2008 though?

      • LDHfan

        And how do you determine the hit? From physical sales, they get a lot, they do not need digital sales.

    • guest

      Can someone please list the dates of the upcoming long-ass summer music shows?
      Just two aired so far, right?

    • Nervi Taralin

      https://youtu.be/vkISTgA3DZs

      What’s your impression of this unit? ^^

      • guest

        I prefer their (esp Mafumafu’s) pre-2014 works. They get boring lately.

        • Nervi Taralin

          Hitting notes that high is boring? I threw away all my pop music after discovering mafumafu and friends haha

      • hizurisama

        out of all utaites I used to follow, I didn’t expect soraru to hit it big tbh

        • Nervi Taralin

          I am quite a new fan, just became one a year ago, i heard he used a lot of autotunes back then huh, soraru i know now putting out a lot of awesome songs with his nasal voice alone.

          • hizurisama

            Yes he did, I think he still uses autotunes but not as much as in the past, I used to find his frequent upload hella annoying back then lmao, all may fave utaites have pretty much gone under the radar or simply retired :/ so many new names now.

            • Nervi Taralin

              but still, im curious what you think about anti clockwise ? mafu made that song, soraru can only complain why you make it so high!!! wwww

              and i think i need to apologize for replying really really really late..disqus didn’t give any notif whatsoever >_<

    • T

      Entertainment reporters are saying Oshima Yuko is leaving to study and hopefully when she comes back she will become a newscaster or even politician to improve her image. 🤔
      http://girlschannel.net/topics/1252094/

      • ProllyWild

        Not much else for ex-AKB girls to do but be talents, newscasters, or just decently performing actresses. I think because of the idol boom, idols in this generation realized how little their worth is as solo entertainers. This really goes for all idols including johnnys and ldh

        • nothingsover

          I’m really happy with a lot of the former idol girls who transition into theatre. It’s a much more niche but also a very challenging and great place for them to hone their skills. It’s public but definitely in a very different way than tv dramas etc are. A lot of fans, especially foreign ones, feel like these girls fade off because they’re not on tv etc anymore, but a lot of them are finding their own paths to success.

          I didn’t go because she was in it, but I saw a play with Iwata Karen last month and she did an incredible job. Most of the audience was female, and clearly not there for her, but the girls I spoke with all thought she did well. Niigaki Risa is also phenomenal as a stage actress (and she met her husband through it ^^).

          • ProllyWild

            It’s a fine place to be. Many former morning musume members have gone to stage and found life outside of idol life. Whatever works.

      • monet

        hmmm, if true it’s not surprising she wants to revamp because she has a “vulgar” image with japanese people now. she’ll be 30 next year right? perfect chance for a new image.

    • Taima-kun
      • guest

        I’ve been wanting Johnny’s to do this for years now…

      • circe154

        Is he making another horror drama? Because crappy horror is my thing and Crows Blood and Sailor Zombie were great for that.

    • Somebody at work was complaining today and said “no change, no end” and it led to a big flashback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krd-29smSbA

    • This popped up on my YT Recs. This is for all you Terrace House fans:
      Lauren Tsai Talks Creating Her Own World Outside of Netflix’s ‘Terrace House’

    • Where

      What is Sandaime JSB up to these days? Are they on a unannounced hiatus?

      • ProllyWild

        I’ve heard in the past that when groups go stale, LDH (during hiro’s time) would encourage groups to expirement with outside projects and try and come back fresh…I imagine they’re trying to not push j soul too hard, since appearing weaker would hurt the hierarchy with Generations now starting to take some good numbers in. That and Atsushi making a claim for a 2018 exile return probably puts things in a weird spot.

        Just a personal read on the situation but I still anticipate LDH ditching j soul sometime in the next few years and perhaps “upgrading” those members fully into exile, or having the group disband and have certain members do new projects or leave. Honestly though all of their side projects have been mostly lame, so I don’t i know if there is really a future for the members of j soul outside of that group.

        • There would be too many vocalists in EXILE then. SHOKICKI and NESMITH barely get lines as is, hence their subunit. Honestly, I see them killing off EXILE. The name has brand recognition, but is it good at this point? And does anyone but the fans really care about any of the LDH males outside of ATSUSHI?

          • ProllyWild

            No one cares about exile at all beyond atsushi but the name of exile tribe remains as the strongest. It could go either way they could kill exile or kill j soul but either way id say the future of shokichi and nesmith in particular are hard predict. Neither are that great vocally and that’s not good when you want to continue a business that pushes out more idols based on people wanting to be like ldh vocalists or dancers.

            It’s overall a messy situation and I see them picking up crystal Kay and Jay’ed as efforts to increase their credibility as urban style “non idols”. Prob is they haven’t managed to get any significant vocal talent to be the lead of the company post atsushi.

        • Reileen

          “I imagine they’re trying to not push j soul too hard, since appearing weaker would hurt the hierarchy with Generations now starting to take some good numbers in. That and Atsushi making a claim for a 2018 exile return probably puts things in a weird spot.”

          what do you mean? They are making it lowkey for 3SJB for the meantime so they can stage a grand comeback for Exile come 2018?

      • It’s weird that there is no summer single this year. They were like the new Koda Kumi in that way.

      • T

        Wasn’t there an article months ago that said they would be slowing down their activities until the fall? Which is essentially a hiatus?

    • What

      What does everyone think about the mid-year charts? Are you surprised or was it predictable?

      • If you look at this stuff contstantly, it was easy to guess, if that is even the right word.

    • AkaneHaga

      i wonder band like scandal and silent siren right now? are they dead aleady?

      • T

        They’re still around. I think a SCANDAL wannabe group is getting attention rn too (GIRLFRIEND).

      • yamakita

        I think that major Japanese TV shows like Music Station feed you what they want you to like, but Japanese fans find their own niche. Lots of popular bands/groups/artists don’t appear on TV so you would think they’ve gone away.

      • hasawa

        I think that when SCANDAL breakthrough was pretty refreshing considering there wasn’t any rock girlband at the time in Japan. I feel like they built a solid fanbase through the time (even in the West – I remember finding on of their album at my local music retailer few years ago) and their longevity is pretty impressing.
        I somehow feel like they’ve been influenced by Kpop lately, as much for the imagery (colorful MVs and polished styling) than their music which is more pop(rock) than rock now. Sure, their music as always been inbetween the 2 genre, but I feel like thei music toned down a bit since their early days
        As for Silent Siren, they always came off to me as the pop copycat of SCANDAL? lol Their album was very ‘meh’ and I remember asking myself how this kind of band could still be signed – their music seemed to bland ; it was like litenning to early 00s girlie poprock lol

      • Maknae

        I strongly recommend BAND-MAID for those who want something more ‘rock’ of the pop-rock girlband spectrum. I’m a big SCANDAL fan since their first album and even if I still like them and their music BM has been a breath of fresh air, you just have to get through and forget the whole “maid” gimmick.

        • hizurisama

          I love BAND-MAID!!! i hope they won’t lean to pop-ish sound now that they’re signed

      • SCANDAL’s Yellow album was great last year. o/
        FLiP you want.
        also BRATS.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2b7A6INtL0
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJoORsoPOto

        • Maknae

          FLiP is soooooo good, both their rock and popish facets. But since their last mini-album in 2015 (which was !!!! amazing !!!!) they’ve been MIA ): You can say they’re probably unofficially disbanded by now, unfortunately ;_;

          • yeah, yeah, yeah – for the first sentence. :D

            it seems like they are too great to exists in this imperfect world. i still hope they release something new tho. maybe they just need some time to produce QUALITY. ><b

    • Because people have been laughing at the Japanese that sounds like obscene English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmxbVIUuDBA

    • DT

      I randomly decided to check out Vickeblanka’s MV for his song Moon Ride and ended up liking it a lot! His album Fearless just came out recently and it’s pretty good and available on the US iTunes store. I’m surprised I’ve never heard of him before or that he’s not more well known, he seems like he could be
      pretty popular if he gets the proper exposure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPWpRQb-az4

      • Encha277

        Thanks for the heads up! I really like the first 2 songs he released, reminded me of old school Queen. Will grab the album now that I know it’s available.

    • FoucaultAnderson

      Would KAT-TUN have surpassed Arashi if they’d stayed together? What went wrong?

      • yamakita

        Hmm… I doubt it. Arashi has that homey appeal while KAT-TUN is slightly intimidating for the grandma set.

        • Takuno

          Grandma set aren’t the ones responsible to make a Johnny’s group national idols though. Homey appeal doesn’t ensure it either. It’s ability for them to stick together and be disciplined to maintain interest year after year like SMAP and Arashi had.
          Kat-tun Gokusen and Real Face boost was much bigger than Arashi’s Hanadan or LSS. They would’ve surpassed Arashi if they keep it together.

          • Lol

            Maybe they would have the higher sales but not public recognition…
            Maybe the opposite version of tokio who has low sales but high rating variety and good public recog

      • angel223_

        Yes as a 6 nin or 5 nin era, they maybe the bad ass group but the most talented and good looking than Arashi… tho individually they will never share equal member of Arashi popularity where is Sho is equal to Nino to MJ and so on….
        Even Nino express if its six nin KT they wont have any match. Arashi will hold up the goody goody boys and their advantage is they are intact. nobody wants an emotional damage badass group y’know that is too draining but some love bad boys no matter what and that is KT advantage plus they are really damn talented.
        KT will be dominant by Akame tandem and that makes the rest their back up singer but soon as Jin leave, the equality of member popularity is not that bigger where Kame and Jin dominate the 6nin.. they really made an impact still despite one major lost.
        Undeniably the biggest fall of KT is not Jin they werent even shaken but Koki Tanaka becoz Koki rap and style makes KT outstanding..
        I dont think Juno leave have a big impact except of the hiatus in fact in this hiatus KT gain more fans than they are as 4nin..

        The biggest mystery for me is Jin flop in JE since he is under Mary care he was given lots of project but he was failed.. (His tour was not really doing well until Miesa got preggy with Jin shotgun wedding I thought there will be another Kimura case but thats explain Jin is just popular but He dont hold insane fans. Does he gain new fans? Coz all I see is still jips/akame/6nin loyalist) I really thought he had lots of fans that supported him… compare to Yamapi solo which is really doing well not no.1 but still on chart list and his Drama were doing great before.

        Ps. KT fandom will never be at peace and unity anymore coz there are stans bias/6nin-3nin factions. They were only exist to hate each other. They are not exist to support the group but their stan.

        • iGleaux

          KT was actually interesting, they had that on their side. I remember trying to watch one of Arashi’s old variety shows and it was like watching paint dry on a wall.

          • AoZora

            KT has good looking boys,good vocals,one rapper,one beat boxing dude and the badass bad boy image.,. I think kattun would’ve surpassed arashi if they were 6 nins…

            • I want to be relevant :(

              lmao where are the good vocals in kattun O_O

              • AoZora

                Jin and Kame had/have good vocals.. Maru, Koki and Ueda are also good at singing. Taguchi can manage with his lines.. The group was never weak in singing talent…

                • angel223_

                  Yeah… I really think so too!!! especially Kame live voice. He rarely do lipsynch in live especially he have lots of adlib, growl and unexpected high note. LOL. I love the records voice but I did listen more of his Live. It really makes me happy.
                  I was rewatching last epi of the Premium Show KT with my office friend whom barely never heard KT coz they are Kpop… they were really amazed how good their vocals and performance and it made feel proud.
                  I accidentally recruit a non fan. Lol
                  They feel mortified with the hissing kissing sound in ~follow me~ like whaaat Lol. (What more if they learn the eng trans ^^)
                  Even my bro thinks they could be rockers than an Idol coz they were edgy.

                  • AoZora

                    KATTUN always sounded good when they sang live… That means they were more confident to pull it out so well.. Yes.. Kame likes entertaining crowds and he adds his own thing while singing..

                • I want to be relevant :(

                  kamenashi is so overrated…his technique is awful and most of the times he is nasally live….just cant comprehend his fans who think he is on par with ohno or even nino ¯_(ツ)_/¯

                  • Takuno

                    I don’t like Kame’s ott technique either but Nino has better singing technique?? Nino screams most of his high notes instead of singing. I do love his raw-ness though but I do not go as far as comparing him to be above others as a singer.

                    • I want to be relevant :(

                      lol never said nino’s technique is good XD it is awful especially in higher registrars but his tone and singing in low registrars is what makes him good :)

                  • AoZora

                    Excuse me.. I have never compared him with Ohno or Nino.. As far his fans go,I dont see anyone comparing him with anyone from Arashi,,,

                    On the contrary, I find Ohno’s vocals nasal,but I don’t mind it…I actually enjoy ARASHI songs… If you a ARASHI fan,no problem.. that doesnt mean look down on other group members.. No body asked you to listen to KATTUN or Kame.. You always have a choice of not listening…

                    • I want to be relevant :(

                      I bought it up because I really don’t think he (kame) counts as a good but maybe average vocal. Since you mentioned before that Jin and kame are the “good” vocalists in kattun so I had to compare him with the “vocalists” in arashi.
                      I’m not trying to look down on them and srry if it looked like that ;D

                      • AoZora

                        You probably feel Arashi singers are better since you are fan of them and probably following them since long …. I have been KATTUN fan since their Gokusen days until their disbandment,watched every of their live shows.. I have been following ARASHI post KATTUN disbandment and trying to catch up with whatever I missed.. I still feel that Kame and Jin are on par with any of ARASHI members when it comes to singing.. Some people tend hating Kame because they feel he hogs the limelight the most in the group and they want to support the underdogs.. But,I feel Kame is very deserving person for that spot in KATTUN for I have seen working hard the most since his junior days and even find him most matured person in the group.. Maru has improved his vocals a lot after taking private classes and Ueda too can sing much better… Well,, these are my thoughts.. You are free to have yours :)

                      • I want to be relevant :(

                        well we have our differences but I respect your opinion :*

                  • angel223_

                    Huh n which sentence there is Kame vs Nino in singing or any Arashi.. you just brought it up y’know

                    I dont mind him overrated, over sexy, over voice, not funny, trying hard, etc etc etc. I have read the worst and negatives. that doesnt affect anymore, if you dont like him, dont listen and stick to your fave.
                    Im not gonna bring down other too just to raise other.

                    • I want to be relevant :(

                      no need to get protective :/ I only stated my opinion on his voice (I only meant his voice by overrated and not him as a person )

              • yamakita

                A lot of the Johnnies’ voices become crap as they age due to smoking…

              • guest

                mte, lol

          • Takuno

            “I remember trying to watch one of Arashi’s old variety shows and it was like watching paint dry on a wall.”
            You’re probably watching the wrong one especially if we’re talking about the old Arashi shows. It’s probably Himitsu or Shiyagare during their dry phase or the repetitive VSArashi. D/G no Arashi, Mago2 & Shukudai-kun was consistently great. Arashi no Shukudai-kun has gems like this almost every week: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xibvoy_arashi-oppai-game_shortfilms
            And the very educational Odoroki SP

            • light

              No idea which shows they watched because most of Arashi old shows were great and the guys were hilarious in them lol
              I loved the boat eps, they never succeeded XD

              • Takuno

                I’m rarely disappointed by their old shows.
                My favorite boat experiment was the first one using paper. Aiba & Sho realizing my childhood dreams XD

                • light

                  It was Aiba? Wasn’t it Nino that did it with Sho first (or i’m mixing episodes)?
                  I remember Nino feeling seasick on one made of cardboard but refused to get off it even if he was useless after a while XDD

                  • Takuno

                    Yes it was Aiba. The first experiment was in either D or G no Arashi part of Aiba’s A no Arashi. It was a two men boat using water proof paper (paper cups material). They folded it themselves I think. I love the Nino episode too XD

                    • light

                      Yeah i remember it now, i guess the cardboard idea was an improvement from the paper but they were aiming too high lol

            • iGleaux

              Shukudai-kun was the one I watched. It’s cool if they’re interesting to you, nothing wrong with that at all, for me personally however they aren’t.

              • Takuno

                Wow. You were not entertained by oppai game in the link? A genuine question.

                I’ve only seen bits and pieces of Kattun’s cartoon show and see a lot of format similarities with Shukudaikun. I find Arashi interaction with their guests in Shukudai really entertaining like the Misono episode and a lot of female comedians. The games they had was more out of the box than Kattun’s.

                Would you recommend me some of your favorite Cartoon episodes?

          • Lol

            I m opposite of you..i fell asleep watching kattun show..never happen with arashi shukudai or c d g no arashi

      • Takuno

        I’m an arashi fan but yes kattun would’ve surpassed arashi. Actually they already did with Real Face and Gokusen.
        Jin hiatus and eventual departure started the fall. Koki getting fired also cemented their fate of never having a chance to regain back what they had.

        • Nikki ok

          I don’t think they would’ve surpassed arashi because arashi members had better sales, better dramas (hana yori dango, gokusen, maou, kazoku game etc.) and the most important thing they have a better group dynamic because they’re professionals, kattun on the other hand was full of selfish people: jin, kame, koki, junnosuke, all of them were selfish, not just jin.

          People saying that kattun would’ve surpassed everyone just because jin was a little handsome is too far fetched tbh

      • hhhh

        Make U Wet

      • I think what international fans doesn’t realize is that the power that Arashi has in Japan — they are not only popular among the fandom but they are loved by non-fans & public as well (something that only SMAP has experience for J&A groups). I really dont think that even if KAT-TUN stayed together as 6nin, they would surpassed Arashi. They will hold up with the sales maybe, but still wouldn’t beat Arashi’s sales in a bit.

        Just used their album sales when Jin was still part of the group. They were selling >250k for their last 2 albums with Jin and this is an era where album sales are still a lot compared to now. And Arashi sales are simply outstanding as at one time, they were dominating Top 5 singles in one year and dominating album/dvd/blueray chart as well. And KAT-TUN never did this even in their heyday. And not to mention the kind of primetime shows Arashi allowed to host.

        Nino might say otherwise since Arashi member themselves sometimes do not see how big they are in the eyes of everyone. People commented how they are such big stars but yet they are so ordinary when you meet them and doesnt have the diva attitude. I never think they buy their own hype even after being at the top for nearly 10 years…

        • Takuno

          They will hold up with the sales maybe, but still wouldn’t beat Arashi’s sales in a bit.
          But they already did with Real Face & Gokusen2 ratings.

          Nino was being realistic. The question was: would Kat-tun have surpassed Arashi if they stayed together? And the answer is yes. They were selling better than Arashi before Jin’s hiatus in 2006. One of the reason Arashi rose to the top was Kat-tun & NEWS collapse. They filled the void left by those 2 groups. If those groups maintained their popularity, Arashi wouldn’t have gain much attention and maybe they won’t sell as much.

          • But that is just one time. Then we can say the same about KinKi Kids — how they used to sell millions of records early in their career and if J&A promotes them extensively as before, they could beat Arashi.

            I give you the example with KAT-TUN’s sales even when Jin was still in the group. Their last 2 albums with him is only around >250k in sales which pales in comparison to Arashi’s album sales nowadays and that is the time when it was easier to sell more albums than it is nowadays in this era.

            And if KAT-TUN stays together until now, then they wouldn’t be KAT-TUN since their personalities clashes with each other is the very reason why they are KAT-TUN and that is their charm as well as their curse at the same time. KAT-TUN lacks the public appeal that Arashi has. Plus, they only have 2 members that really stands out individually as comparison with Arashi where even their quietest members at one point of the time is their most famous member. KAT-TUN is famous in the fandom but is not that famous in the public eyes. And that is among the reasons why they wouldn’t beat Arashi in term of sales or popularity in the eyes of the public.

            And if you say the collapse of NEWS and KAT-TUN the reason why Arashi rose, it is wrong as well. It maybe one of the factors but not the real factor. First of all, KAT-TUN and Arashi music is different and they caters to different type of fans. Arashi started to rise with Hanadan which is in 2007 and continue to 2008 (with their Kokuritsu concert) and the popularity maintains until now. NEWS still have Yamapi and Ryo at that time and they were selling really well (for example with their Weeeeeeek single in 2009). KAT-TUN is selling very good as well at that time and Jin only left the group in 2010 and Arashi already beat them in sales at this point of times for 2/3 years in a row. I’m basing my argument with sales figures and I was there in the fandom at that time to come to this conclusion. With only Gokusen 2 & Real Face is not enough to say they will beat Arashi since those happened in 2005 & 2006 respectively. Nino is seriously being modest when he made that comment.

            • angel223_

              So Arashi Debuted only in 2008?? I thought around 1999s somewhere.
              They waited that long years to raisen up? So they are much worst start than SMAP?.
              Ok yeah. They wait the fall of KT to raisen up. Ok. But point is they beated Arashi once…
              And if there is a chance. Yes there is possibility.

              Now I know why KT is different their debut is a sensation.

              • Arashi debuted in 1999 and they only had their big break in 2007 after Jun’s Hanadan. They rise after that and by 2008, they started to become Japan Nation idol and by 2009, they cemented their status when they dominated the Oricon Top 5 best selling single of the year with Believe at #1 (Truth was #1 in 2008), Ashita no Kioku at #2, My Girl at #3 & Everything at #5. And not to mention they dominated the #1 for album and music DVD sales as well making them the top selling group on that year.

                Yeah, they really had tough time to rise up. They still continuously getting #1 for their singles but the sales were pretty much average. They only managed to get their first dome tour in 2007 but the following year, they managed to get Kokuritsu which was really amazing. Yeah, you can say that. They are like SMAP — took time to rise up but managed to get the recognition of the public which many J&A groups failed to obtain.

                If you read my comment above, they do not wait for KAT-TUN or NEWS to fall. They started to rise in 2007 and continue to rise the following year. At that time, both KAT-TUN & NEWS are still very active with their full member (minus Uchi & Kusano for NEWS) but Arashi have beat them in sales/public recognition/concert venue for 2/3 years in a row before Jin/Yamapi/Ryo left their respective groups.

                Many J&A groups has beaten Arashi in term of sales many time. So all those groups has the possibility as well. :) But looking at the factors of what make Arashi as a nation idol group and their longevity to maintain that position for nearly 10 years now, many factors and fact do not support KAT-TUN’s possibility to beat them in term of recognition nor sales unfortunately.

                KAT-TUN follows KinKi Kids in term of popularity since they were really famous even when they just debuted. Of course, KinKi has more massive popularity, recognition and sales when they debuted back in 1997 but we cant really compare it since they were from different times/era.

                • angel223_

                  I dont follow Kinki kids coz not my style and never a fan of them.
                  But my argue will stay the same with an open mind. Lol.
                  Im just a proud Kame fan not totally with KT XDXDXDXDXD

                  I just feel bad to Arashi almost 10yrs before a breaktrough.. ok they deserve it where is KT have their glorious moment thats it.

                  • Then you’re missing a lot since KinKi has like the best music from J&A. :P They always get really famous composers & lyricists to do songs for them and not to mention they are naturally really funny so they’re great at variety. ^^;

                    Yeah, I feel bad for Arashi too so when they hit it big, I thought they totally deserve it. Have you support a group that you feel so underrated and deserve the whole world because how awesome they are? Arashi is that kind of group. They never change actually — be it their dynamic, songs or their personalities. It is just that, Japan finally realize how awesome they are in 2007. :D So after that realization, they just rise and rise and never stop until now. You have people go to urban area in Japan and all those urban people know who is Arashi. You have guys proudly said they are fan of a boygroup and didnt feel ashamed attending their concert — Arashi is that type of group.

                    This video more or less sums up why I think none other group can imitate the same success as Arashi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebm8AJi8R5M

                    Oh you’re a Kame fan! Kame is talented be it in acting or singing so hopefully one day, he will have the acting brand that Kimura & Yamapi is experiencing in their acting career as well. I wonder why he never release solo stuffs tbh. Since KAT-TUN in hiatus now, I guess its time for him to finally fly solo.

                    • angel223_

                      I just watched Kinki Kids interview Koichi Domoto..SCP KAT-TUN for curiousity. LOOOOOL
                      HE GOT A DARK HUMOR!!! I Laugh too much… Im searching back were kinki kids interview with Kame n the baseball hall of fame.. Im dl it now..I already read the summary. How he was extravaggant on his car..XD
                      Maybe I havent listening well to their most of song yet but Im beginning to like Anniversary. 💜

                      I already listed what to DL next mostly 2003 at first coz Im hitting two birds.. Kame+getting to know kinki kids.
                      TY.

                      • Getting to know KinKi is like opening a pandora box tbh. They are really awesome, hilarious and very talented. Their concerts are the best since they’re great live and their long concert MCs (sometimes up to 1.5 hours O_o) are what fans always look forward to every year. KAT-TUN said that they also do long MC since they learn it from KinKi. :) And KinKi also talked about Johnny-san the most out of all J&A groups — probably because they are Johnny-san favorites and didnt really care if he is mad at them bts. :P

                        KinKi’s fanservice is great tbh:

                        https://youtu.be/W74eUd8MQR8

                        https://youtu.be/KN-laOoB05g

                        ^^v

      • light

        We can’t know for sure, but maybe they would have had higher sales than Arashi (in general, not the current ones). Though i don’t see Kat-tun having the same amount of popularity with the general public Arashi have now.

        • Takuno

          If they keep it together and Jin wasn’t such a douche about his role in the group, I can see them having SMAP’s rebellious vibe the general public loves. Gun-shot wedding to a popular celeb included. Kat-tun missed out big time.

          • light

            Granted that i never followed Smap and Kat-tun but i don’t really see a big similarity between the two groups. Outside of what happened in private, i always had this “bad boy” image,a cool one from Kat-tun that a younger audience would like but i don’t know how much it would have worked on an older one.
            I just find a bit difficult to make a comparison between Arashi and Kat-tun, they are just different.

            • Takuno

              Arashi & Kat-tun are different. So was SMAP & Arashi. There’s very little similarities for SMAP & Kt too. My point was, I can see Kt’s potential as national idols despite their main audience seemingly in a younger niche. They had potential to have another Real Face & wow the general public with their songs. Jin actually had a very good singing voice & writing talent and the whole group sings live 100% of the times. Not a fan of Koki’s nonsensical raps though

              • light

                Since i never followed them mine is just an opinion from an outsider pov, so i’m not going to dispute yours since you surely know more about Kat-tun than me =)
                There are too many factors that could determine the success (a very big one) of an idol group than just good songs. Arashi had all the right ones at the right time and they managed to not throw everything away.

    • FoucaultAnderson

      Also remember when KAT-TUN met Rihanna?

      • yamakita

        I love that Rihanna is towering over them even if she’s probably wearing heels.

      • iGleaux

        I miss that show so much, why do you hurt me like this?

      • kashiyuka

        Aw this was such a good show.

        Never was a big fan of Kattun but I feel so sad seeing all six of them together ;_;

    • FoucaultAnderson

      Another question: What happened to the anime boom in the West? Why did it die down? And most specifically, what the hell happened to that Eva Live Action that Evangelion was supposedly working on?

      • Matcha

        Hallyu wave has died in West too.

        • FoucaultAnderson

          This isn’t about Kpop though.

      • yamakita

        What would you consider a boom?

        • FoucaultAnderson

          Like the 90s and 00s, anime was everywhere and lots of titles were mainstream like DBZ, Sailor Moon. Not so much anymore.

          • yamakita

            Oh, I wasn’t following anything Japanese then so I guess I can’t relate. Sometimes when it’s too popular, it loses the “cool” factor. I think it’s better when it’s not a boom.

      • yamakita

        And regardless, watch Koe no Katachi… excellent adaptation!!!

      • hasawa

        I remember ~10 years ago when I was still into the fanzine mileu and was attending a bunch of anime/manga gigs, the “Holy trinity” One Piece/Naruto/Bleach was EVERYWHERE!! Their influence was indisputable and they represented the most of goodies/fanart requests/cosplays.
        Now that I’m not in touch with this scene and the current hot stuff of the moment anymore, whenever I question my former fanzine comrades (who are still attending those gigs), they tell me that the Holy Trinity is not as strong as before (which is mostly due to the fact that 2 of them ended), but they admit a few heavily popular licence took up the torch, like “My Hero Academia” or “Nier”. But I feel like they don’t have the same aura as the Holy Trinity….The don’t seem to federate ALL anime fans and be widespread accross the mainstream anime culture like the Holy Trinity did.. (like EVERYONE knew Naruto, even the parents! lol And I remember One Piece did a collab with Paris Aquarium museum.. THE IMPACT!!!). Like, SURE, there are still heavily popular manga/anime in the West, but i’m wondering if their impact is as big as their precedessors’. I tend to think this “boom” is kinda fading out but remains strong. But I feel like the lack of strong longlasting manga licence is gonna make run short this whole shonen manga frenzy we got since the early 00s.

        • yamakita

          I think things go in cycles, but there will always be enough interests to keep anime afloat. The dedication to the art form is not anything fleeting and people will respond to it.

          I personally detest never-ending manga/anime/stories. I don’t know how anyone can follow anything that never ends. And I also think it becomes about the author/creator’s ego than the story, which is a turn-off.

          My impression is, even in Japan most people don’t want to be branded as “otaku” by openly liking anime/manga, but anime/manga is just a facet of the Japanese pop culture that the West has grabbed onto in a more significant way because it’s distinctively Japanese.

          • hasawa

            “I personally detest never-ending manga/anime/stories. I don’t know how anyone can follow anything that never ends.”
            “One Piece” everlasting success and popularity tell otherwise… lol

            • yamakita

              That’s why I don’t understand it *_*

          • PigeonPop

            Aw, I wouldn’t put most of the blame on the author/creator. It’s true a few of them eventually develop an ego (One Piece’s Oda comes to mind) but the big bad when it comes to never-ending manga is almost always the editing/publishing side that does it for the sake of $$$.

          • miraikuru

            …. I’m looking at you, Conan-kun~~

      • Moa

        Would you consider Yuri on Ice a boom? Since it seems to have fans everywhere.

        • hasawa

          Yuri!!!on Ice was heavily popular amongst yaoi/shonen ai fan(girls) who happen to be the most active and extra on social medias (in comparison to “regular” anime fans) so it gave the impression that YoI was actually ‘bigger’ than it actually is. A friend of mine who is animator and really into anime told me YoI was poorly animated and explained the only reason it won so many awards is because it was the public (aka fans) who voted for and not anime industry insiders (she didn’t grasp how YoI actually won “Best animation” lol).
          Sure YoI was a good anime (it legit enlightened my whole 2k16 Winter) and I totally get why it got so popular, but let’s be honest, it got ridiculously overhyped because of its gay romance… I’m not sure if a lot is going to be remembered of YoI other than Vikturi or that we’re still going to talk about it in 5 or 10 from now (like Ghost in the Shell or Cowboy Bebop for example)
          TL;DR : Yuri!!!on Ice looks more like a fade than a legit “boom” imho

          • yamakita

            Yeah, I’m as into Yaoi as any fujoshi, not to mention a big ice-skating fan, but I found Yuri on Ice boring. I couldn’t get through one episode. I like the titillation, but the story just isn’t deep enough to keep me interested.

      • iGleaux

        I never was big into it (though I loved DBZ). I tried watching it more when I started studying Japanese but most of what is available isn’t my cup of tea at all.

      • circe154

        I think so much of it flooded the market it lost its “exotic” nature and the general public lost interest. Also the art style and the type of shows are different than they were in the late 90s/early 00s and don’t appeal to Westerners as much.
        In the US, they don’t air kid’s anime as much as they did back then. Toonami and Fox Kids were most people’s introduction to anime. Toonami is still around, but it airs at midnight on Saturday nights and is aimed at adults now.
        Eva probably got stuck in development hell which is a good thing.

      • King Hide

        it is almost died in asia too, most TV channels here in my country imported indian drama and korean drama. might be because anime copyright is expensive and most anime fans can watch legally (and illegally) now on internet.eventho it still limited in my country. i guess it is the same reason with the west the differences are most western tv shows are more appealing than Asian drama.

        for EVA i hope it will never happen anytime soon. japanese CGI and budget in Live Action Movie still awful especially for EVA

    • HyperMoot .

      watch of the week, The Long Excuse (director: Miwa Nishikawa). Awesome story

      • yamakita

        Great to see Motoki Masahiro. But this movie reminds me a lot of Demolition.

        • HyperMoot .

          can’t tell for I haven’t watched Demolition but from the synopsis, I’d say it’s different. There’s no new love relationship for the main character, it’s more about his troubled personality and how he finds a way to deal with grief in taking care of the kids of his wife’s friend. Won’t say more cause it’ll be spoilers all the way but it’s a hell of a perf from Motoki Masahiro portraying a man who doesn’t really know what empathy is.

          • yamakita

            It’s about a man who has a hard time grieving for the loss of his wife, minus the kids because…

            I’m not going to hold it against Motoki’s movie. I hope to come across it. I’m sure it’s emotional and a good story.

          • yamakita

            I just watched the movie. Wasn’t as good as I had hoped, but those kids were precious. The best scene was when he got a haircut.

            • HyperMoot .

              my fave is the one when Sachio goes at the female teacher with a little speech impediment. Frustrated because the unsophisticated ‘truck driver’ managed to find a very decent woman, tells a lot about Sachio, his psychology etc…

              • yamakita

                I thought it just showed that he was jealous or felt his presence threatened. He is not a likable character, kinda despicable. I also thought this movie was more of a commentary on the Japanese society, on its gullibility, and a man’s road to some redemption.

                Anyway, I have liked ur picks so far. Still trying to find Japanese Girls Never Die.

                • HyperMoot .

                  basically agree with what you said. To find Japanese Girls Never Die, try the usual suspects: FilmKu or Avistaz

    • HyperMoot .

      Saya Asakura, new single out on July 5

    • zephyr

      Anyone here playing rhythm games? Personally I play Deresute, Bandori and Theater Days. I’m not good at those at all but I love the music lol. Also just discovered Tokyo 7th Sisters a couple days ago and the music is so, SO GOOD. Almost didn’t believe it was from an idol rhythm game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbgC7EILYbA

      • yamakita

        What’s a rhythm game? Is it making every character dance in synchronization?

        • zephyr

          Ah that’s not exactly it! According to wiki (because I suck at explanations): Players have to press buttons in a sequence dictated on the screen.
          Here’s an example: Tamashii no Refrain cover from Bandori

    • WD79

      Venting here a bit as a Kanjani8 fan. Infinity Records via J-Storm really need to get their heads together in distribution and logistics department. Last week alone, JAM was sold out at major stores for like 4-5 times in a single week and the restocking was very slow. Fine, that was the first week right? But it’s already the second week and stock are still sold out for days in a row. Not to mention the limited editions, even the regular edition is sold out at some stores. To think that they’ve never had this problem when they were with Teichiku…

      • Reileen

        I just learned today that the manufacturer of J-storm is actually Sony Music Marketing Inc oh wow that was new to me lol

        J-storm always have stock issues tho, like it’s as if they want to produce just as much as they sell.
        It just has gotten a bit notorious lately, it looks as if they are making the limited editions reaaaally limited so that what will only be left selling is the regular edition. The Kame to Yamapi limited editions were never re-printed even tho it sold out day 0. During the release, the store clerks were asked and they said in the first place, the supply for the LEs is already very limited.

        So I guest that will be the case for the JAM album too, don’t hope on the LEs. They’ll just be restocking the regular editions. I heard it’s the same issue for HSJ too esp during that time the reservations for the LE of their DVD closed within minutes and never re-opened lol.

        But since the manufacturer is Sony Music Marketing, it probably is their job so not sure who’s responsible

        • If people want the LE, they just have to preorder the single/album before it was released nationwide. I do that to get hold of my KinKi Kids’ LE singles & albums.

          I would never dream of getting the LE at the music store lol.

        • AoZora

          I am aware of Kame to Yamapi LE’s unavailability at stores and many fans complaining on twitter.. I am not sure if this is a good business decision.. If there are buyers,why not restock it?

      • yamakita

        Maybe it’s just a way to drum up demand?

    • WD79

      Anyway, I don’t have much to say about Jojo’s live-action adaptation movie review posted here, but according to Anime News Network, the live-action adaptation of Tokyo Ghoul is actually pretty good!

      • AoZora

        Even the english subber of the movie tweeted that the movie Tokyo Ghoul is good and Shimizu Fumika has done a good job..

      • yamakita

        TG just premiered at Anime Expo and the main actor was there! I missed it cuz I had to work T_T

      • King Hide

        how about FMA i saw alot positive reactions on twitter? or is it just because Yamada?

    • pandaapple

      Where do you guys listen to music? Online radio? Or do yall just download it?

      • Midna

        Apple Music and Youtube

        • pandaapple

          Does apple music have a decent amount of jpop artists on there? I’ve been debating whether I should get it or not

          • Midna

            They do, but most of the acts can be accessed on AM Japan only :/ that’s the downside. Some acts do have their music internationally (Wednesday Campanella, Suchmos, AKLO), but if you want to use AM purely for Jpop, it has to be for iTunes Japan

      • iGleaux

        I look for new stuff through Soundcloud and Youtube, I buy from iTunes, stores, concerts, and Bandcamp.

        • pandaapple

          Does this include jpop artists?? If so are there any on soundcloud that you would recommend? Lol sorry should’ve clarified!

          • iGleaux

            Oh you meant Jpop. I follow Japanese DJs on Soundcloud. As for artist at this point I rely heavily on Youtube. Any new artist I find it’s because they’re willing to make themselves visible to more than just Japan. I only listen a handful of newer acts that count as pop, I listen mostly to other genres though.

      • Spotify added lots of Japanese artists recently.

      • youtube
        PVs for new releases
        if it’s not on youtube i don’t care about it because i already have enough stuff to listen to and watch.

        download
        anything else

        radio
        jpopsuki radio has died so i’m not listening to it anymore

      • miraikuru

        Spotify, as long as you’re not 48 group or Johnnys fans

      • Download or physically buy.

      • HyperMoot .

        digital or physical

      • yacchaitai

        jpopsuki.eu

    • Skai

      I can’t wait for Utada Hikaru’s new single to release tomorrow!!!
      I’ve listened to the CM so many times. It’s such a good song!!! ❤️
      I am so excited~~!!

    • HyperMoot .

      revisiting my video collection. Best groove of the decade, simple, direct, genius

    • HyperMoot .

      a slightly longer and better preview of Forevermore, the theme song Utada Hikaru wrote for the gomen aishiteru drama. Song starts at about 2′ on the clip

      https://www.bilibili.com/video/av12033981/?from=search&seid=8274914877186673437